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Re: New MTL Mill Gon.
« Reply #15 on: June 20, 2022, 11:17:34 AM »
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The Milwaukee had a group of them early on for Allis Chalmers service. They were big cars for the 20s-30s ! I'll need to look at my resources and see if they are a close match for the Milwaukee group, I suspect they are close enough for me .

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Milwaukee cars were probably welded.  But, it will be much easier to remove the rivets on these plastic bodies than the Athearn metal bodies!

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Re: New MTL Mill Gon.
« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2022, 12:22:00 PM »
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Milwaukee cars were probably welded.  But, it will be much easier to remove the rivets on these plastic bodies than the Athearn metal bodies!

Mike,
At least some Milw 65' gondolas were riveted (92075-99):
http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/other_cars/milw_cars/milw_number/092075-092099.htm
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Re: New MTL Mill Gon.
« Reply #17 on: June 20, 2022, 02:39:02 PM »
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Mike,
At least some Milw 65' gondolas were riveted (92075-99):
http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/other_cars/milw_cars/milw_number/092075-092099.htm

Those are the 1981 built Pullman Standard cars, A little new for me.

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Re: New MTL Mill Gon.
« Reply #18 on: June 20, 2022, 02:41:10 PM »
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Milwaukee cars were probably welded.  But, it will be much easier to remove the rivets on these plastic bodies than the Athearn metal bodies!

The 1943 shops built cars were welded. but I'm willing to risk my modelers license to run the MT gons.

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Re: New MTL Mill Gon.
« Reply #19 on: June 20, 2022, 03:47:26 PM »
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Those are the 1981 built Pullman Standard cars, A little new for me.

Well....I will admit that I am not an expert.

And I don't mean to be argumentative, but one of your earlier post reinforced the recollection in my head that MILW had large gondolas very early on.

In response to my question "who had these (ie- 65' gondolas) in the 1920s?", you responded that MILW built some, and these were unusually large for the 20s and 30s.  That response, in any case, clearly indicated that MILW had some 65' gondolas that pre-dated the 1943 welded cars.  Welding was unusual in car construction prior to WWII.

 And, I thought the 92075-99 were rebuilt (with the height extension) from earlier cars. Granted, unlikely those would be cars from 1930 or earlier- simply because they would be close to the end of their useful lives. But the car in the photo was clearly not built in 1981.  The shop date on the car in the photo looks like 8-79 to me.  And the build date is likely 10 or more years before the shop date.
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Re: New MTL Mill Gon.
« Reply #20 on: June 20, 2022, 05:58:09 PM »
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Oh man. You know what I just thought of?

All the sexy weathered gons MTL is gonna be able to do with these.

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Re: New MTL Mill Gon.
« Reply #21 on: June 20, 2022, 06:01:28 PM »
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Oh man. You know what I just thought of?

All the sexy weathered gons MTL is gonna be able to do with these.

Yes, Micro Mouse will look good on these  :trollface:

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Re: New MTL Mill Gon.
« Reply #22 on: June 20, 2022, 06:42:29 PM »
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Well....I will admit that I am not an expert.

And I don't mean to be argumentative, but one of your earlier post reinforced the recollection in my head that MILW had large gondolas very early on.

In response to my question "who had these (ie- 65' gondolas) in the 1920s?", you responded that MILW built some, and these were unusually large for the 20s and 30s.  That response, in any case, clearly indicated that MILW had some 65' gondolas that pre-dated the 1943 welded cars.  Welding was unusual in car construction prior to WWII.

 And, I thought the 92075-99 were rebuilt (with the height extension) from earlier cars. Granted, unlikely those would be cars from 1930 or earlier- simply because they would be close to the end of their useful lives. But the car in the photo was clearly not built in 1981.  The shop date on the car in the photo looks like 8-79 to me.  And the build date is likely 10 or more years before the shop date.

I cannot find this car series. The 1981 cars were PCF cars, not Pullman and they looked very different from the pictured car. Bad things happen when I don’t wear my glasses… I know I’ve seen big Milwaukee gons from the 30s. I know about the ones from 1943 which I assume is the closest to the MT car. I need to find my mechanical dept. class book.

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Re: New MTL Mill Gon.
« Reply #23 on: June 20, 2022, 06:45:12 PM »
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Always happy to see more transition-era gondola models!

Have road names been selected yet?  These would be decent stand-ins for some P&LE mill gons, and it would be great to see a P&LE / NYCS 1936-55 scheme (brown with "Roman" lettering and an outline-only system oval).
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Re: New MTL Mill Gon.
« Reply #24 on: June 20, 2022, 08:26:23 PM »
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I cannot find this car series. The 1981 cars were PCF cars, not Pullman and they looked very different from the pictured car. Bad things happen when I don’t wear my glasses… I know I’ve seen big Milwaukee gons from the 30s. I know about the ones from 1943 which I assume is the closest to the MT car. I need to find my mechanical dept. class book.
I found a reference to the car series at Railgoat (where I also found the photo). That shows them on the roster, but no dates for construction, and the roster itself is not dated. There are only 25 of them.  I can't speak to the accuracy of the info, it was just the ONLY info I could find with a car number and associated photo.

http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/other_cars/milw_cars/milw_number/index.htm

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