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mike_lawyer

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Hey guys -

Quick question - I have some Kato Mikado mechanisms that I have purchased over the years, and I am trying to figure out which ones are from the original run (that had electrical conductivity issues) and the revised ones which solved the problem.  Is there an easy way to distinguish them?  And is there any solution for the original driver conductivity problem?  Thanks!

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Re: Kato Mikado drivers - how can you tell original versus revised?
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2018, 08:38:23 AM »
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Yes, there is an easy way to identify them.
New drivers are made from a single metal turning with the wheel center (spokes) being just a decorative piece.  If you look at the back of the wheel, it is a solid piece of metal with 4 thick spokes.

Old drivers are plastic with a metal metal tire. In the back of them is a thin brass strip which on one end touches the tire, and in the other end thouches the axle.

As for the conductivity problem, I don't think it is as bad as it is being portrayed.  Other than replacing them with new drivers, there is no easy fix. Maybe using some conductive paint in the areas where the disc contacts the tie and the axle?

EDIT: made it more descriptive.
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Re: Kato Mikado drivers - how can you tell original versus revised?
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2018, 10:24:53 AM »
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Old on the left, new on the right

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Yeah, as Pete says, a little conductive silver paint can help.  Too bad Kato doesn't still have replacement sets in stock, there are a lot of Phase-1 Mikes still out there with the older wheels.
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Re: Kato Mikado drivers - how can you tell original versus revised?
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2018, 06:11:46 PM »
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Thanks for the picture, much appreciated.  Too bad Kato does not sell revised driver sets anymore.  There are a ton of 1st Gen Mikados out there with the original drivers.

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Re: Kato Mikado drivers - how can you tell original versus revised?
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2018, 06:34:59 PM »
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I use conductive paint to fix them.  It isn't easy, but it can be done with some trial and error.
You need to scratch the outer tire and bronze strip surfaces clean with sandpaper or an Xacto blade, and then apply the conductive "goo" across them, and you MUST do it at the tire edge AND inside, near the axle (both ends of the bronze strip).   The inner end is hard to access with the goo, but it works.

I've used MG Chemicals Nickel Print, a little jar of thick liquid epoxy with nickel powder suspended in it, and later, a "Circuit Scribe" conductive silver ink pen, where I just dab the pen point all around the area to make a pool of conductive silver ink, and then I can use the point of an Xacto to spread the pool the way I want it.
The Circuit Scribe material works better.  I could get the resistance between the axle and wheel darn close to zero whereas the Nickel Print might be  0.5 to 2 ohms.  They don't sell Circuit Scribe as a liquid in a jar, only as a pen. 
https://www.circuitscribe.com/.  They are $10.

Circuit Scribe also has a new "Beta" pen product for $60, that has two pens: one with a spring-loaded ink chamber to make the ink flow more regularly at the point, and another that you can squeeze to make the ink come out like a paint pen.  The Beta is sold out, unfortunately.  I'd really like to try that.

They used to sell "resistive" ink pens too,  available in  100 ohms/cm, 1000 ohms/cm, etc --- a variety of resistances.  I always thought those would be great for making detector wheelsets, but alas, those seem to be gone from Circuit Scribe's website now.

Anyway, I've fixed a bunch of old Mikado drivers with this stuff, and they do work.  You just have to be persistent and use an ohmmeter to make sure you get continuity between the axle/bearing and the wheel tread.  Sometimes, I have to scrape the stuff off and try again a few times before I get it.  But once they are fixed, they seem to last.  I know I've checked some that were "fixed" over a year ago, and they still were conducting properly.
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Re: Kato Mikado drivers - how can you tell original versus revised?
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2018, 08:57:00 AM »
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Thanks Max for the tip, much appreciated.  There are so many original versions of the Mikado floating around that it is good to know there is a conductive fix.

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Re: Kato Mikado drivers - how can you tell original versus revised?
« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2018, 08:05:45 PM »
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Thanks Max for the tip, much appreciated.  There are so many original versions of the Mikado floating around that it is good to know there is a conductive fix.
And so many spare 1st-run Mikado drivers lying around in engine nerds' parts boxes that they would be a sin to waste, so it became very important for me to find a way to reuse them.   Just sayin'...