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John

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Re: Automatic stopping section for staging
« Reply #15 on: November 02, 2016, 09:22:12 PM »
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Re: Automatic stopping section for staging
« Reply #16 on: November 02, 2016, 10:03:13 PM »
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Here is how to do it ..

http://www.rr-cirkits.com/Clinics/GR-2012-Stopping.pdf

Thanks for the link, but as I said earlier, I'm not going JMRI, and want a simple solution to what seems a simple problem. All it needs to do is stop a slow moving train inside a hidden yard at a predetermined spot. Period.
I did find a number of Normally Closed reed switches on line, and SPDT's which can be wired either NO or NC. That would seem like a way to go as the NO lead is hot when activated, perhaps to be used to light up an occupancy LED on the panel? I don't know about the power requirements, or the magnetic field required to trigger it reliably. Maybe I need to buy some and experiment...
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Re: Automatic stopping section for staging
« Reply #17 on: November 02, 2016, 10:16:39 PM »
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... If yes, then the decoders have to be capable of doing that. Most European decoders can do that but I don't think the US-made decoders have that functionality. 

I think most do actually.  Digitrax and TCS, for example, are supposed to decelerate at the set rate if they encounter DC and analog conversion mode is off. 

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Also the distance traveled when the automatic braking is engaged is most likely no absolute, so the locos could overshoot or stop short of the stopping point.

I think that's mostly a matter of decoder programming the deceleration rate. 

Caveat: I'm not speaking from the experience of implementing this. 

It is to me ...

For starters, the presentation seems to assume the presence of a JMRI signalling system to determine whether the train should stop.   And Otto said he's looking for something that doesn't involve that.

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Re: Automatic stopping section for staging
« Reply #18 on: November 02, 2016, 11:14:17 PM »
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I think most do actually.  Digitrax and TCS, for example, are supposed to decelerate at the set rate if they encounter DC and analog conversion mode is off. 

I think that's mostly a matter of decoder programming the deceleration rate. 


I think we are talking apples and oranges here.  What you are describing is when a decoder encounters pure DC with analog conversion off it will come to a stop. The presentation John pointed appears to be using asymmetric DCC Automatic Brake Control . That is a different type of functionality.  At least that is how I understand it.

EDIT:  I revisited the ABC page and Ben, I think you're right: The circuit John pointed to is more like simulated DC rather than ABS (which uses a different diode arrangement to generate the ABS signal).
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