Athearn PS-1s announced

[Missaberoad]

If I was going to make a 50' riveted side double door ps1 i would do it like this...

Start with an intermountain 50' aar double door boxcar kit...
Use the ends from an Atlas 40' Ps1... (only reason being better detail, you could use athearn)
And use the bowtie roof from either the microtrains or athearn pullman standard boxcar...

This method saves you from having to add rivets and the door change (which with different sized door tracks/stops is more work then gluing on 4 doors)

If you're not worried about getting it as close as possible then I would just start with an Athearn or Microtrains double door model.

[cjm413]

No, we're talking about the same Athearn announcement.  My original question was based on my idea that I could possibly duplicate a B-50-37 with this release.  From the replies, including yours, it appears that I could, if I redid the doors (not that hard to do).  Adding rivets would be a lot of work, but I suppose I could ignore them (3-foot rule).   The ends, roof, and sides (except for doors) appear to be reasonably correct for a kitbashed B-50-37, and those would have been more difficult to change. 

Anyway, thanks for taking the time to respond. 

MH

Archer offers N scale rivets:

http://www.archertransfers.com/SurfaceDetailsMain.html

[wazzou]

If I was going to make a 50' rivited side double door ps1 i would do it like this...

Start with an intermountain 50' aar double door boxcar kit...
Use the ends from an Atlas 40' Ps1... (only reason being better detail, you could use athearn)
And use the bowtie roof from either the microtrains or athearn pullman standard boxcar...

Or have accumulated a cheap stash of undecorated Athearn NACC boxcar kits with both PS Bow Tie and Stanray Diagonal Panel roof castings. 

[mark.hinds]

If I was going to make a 50' riveted side double door ps1 i would do it like this...

Start with an intermountain 50' aar double door boxcar kit...
Use the ends from an Atlas 40' Ps1... (only reason being better detail, you could use athearn)
And use the bowtie roof from either the microtrains or athearn pullman standard boxcar...

This method saves you from having to add rivets and the door change (which with different sized door tracks/stops is more work then gluing on 4 doors)

If you're not worried about getting it as close as possible then I would just start with an Athearn or Microtrains double door model.

Interesting suggestion; I actually have 3 of the IMR 50-foot-AARs kits, unassembled.  However IMHO, if the Athearn model is a reasonably accurate PS-1, door mods would be much easier and quicker than new ends and roof (plus roofwalk, end ladders, etc).  Also, the Intermountain car side you suggest is quite different in appearance than the B-50-37; in particular, the side frames and the number of side panels are wrong.  Finally, the rivets probably don't really matter anyway, as if they were to scale, you couldn't see them.  For example, my book has a side view at approximately HO scale, and I can only see the rivets under magnification.  Still, to each his own.   

MH

[cjm413]

Or have accumulated a cheap stash of undecorated Athearn NACC boxcar kits with both PS Bow Tie and Stanray Diagonal Panel roof castings. 

NACC RBL came with an overhanging PS roof that would be too modern for the B-50-37.

[cjm413]

Interesting suggestion; I actually have 3 of the IMR 50-foot-AARs kits, unassembled.  However IMHO, if the Athearn model is a reasonably accurate PS-1, door mods would be much easier and quicker than new ends and roof (plus roofwalk, end ladders, etc).  Also, the Intermountain car side you suggest is quite different in appearance than the B-50-37; in particular, the side frames and the number of side panels are wrong.  Finally, the rivets probably don't really matter anyway, as if they were to scale, you couldn't see them.  For example, my book has a side view at approximately HO scale, and I can only see the rivets under magnification.  Still, to each his own.   

MH

I hear those kits are made of unobtanium, which is unfortunate given the lack of decent non-PS box cars from this era...

It looks like they'd be a good starting point for a B-50-38 if you "modernize" the ends, roof, and doors.

http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/spcars/byclass/box/b050-38.htm

[Missaberoad]

Interesting suggestion; I actually have 3 of the IMR 50-foot-AARs kits, unassembled.  However IMHO, if the Athearn model is a reasonably accurate PS-1, door mods would be much easier and quicker than new ends and roof (plus roofwalk, end ladders, etc).  Also, the Intermountain car side you suggest is quite different in appearance than the B-50-37; in particular, the side frames and the number of side panels are wrong.  Finally, the rivets probably don't really matter anyway, as if they were to scale, you couldn't see them.  For example, my book has a side view at approximately HO scale, and I can only see the rivets under magnification.  Still, to each his own.   

MH

In that case why not start with the double door model?
It would give you the proper offset 15' (7+8) opening.

[mark.hinds]

I hear those kits are made of unobtanium, which is unfortunate given the lack of decent non-PS box cars from this era...

It looks like they'd be a good starting point for a B-50-38 if you "modernize" the ends, roof, and doors.

http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/spcars/byclass/box/b050-38.htm

And I also have 15 of the IMR 10-panel side / dreadnought end, and 3 of the IMR 12-panel side / improved dreadnought end 40-foot 1937 AAR kits (...).   

In that case why not start with the double door model?
It would give you the proper offset 15' (7+8) opening.

Which double door model?  Is Athearn also proposing a double-door 50-foot PS-1?  If so, I missed that.  Whether it would be easier than the single door, depends on the exact appearance of the car side, however.  The SP B-50-37 (and the C&O B34) had 5 side panels to the left and 8 side panels to the right of the double doors. 

(If you are asking about the IMR double door model, of course I just explained my reasoning in my previous post). 

MH

[Missaberoad]

http://cdn3.volusion.com/qljqp.yugbx/v/vspfiles/photos/ATH14153-2.jpg

@mark.hinds One better! Athearn has made a double door boxcar for years. It might even date back to MDC.

Looking at the panel lines on both cars you would have to scribe new lines (or add rivets) on the single door car anyway...
The double door is 5/7 panels and the single door is 7/7.

[Mark5]

One better! Athearn has made a double door boxcar for years. It might even date back to MDC.

Yes, this is MDC tooling (along with the single door and the plug door versions).

[Missaberoad]

Yes, this is MDC tooling (along with the single door and the plug door versions).

Thanks! I knew the single door and plug door versions were Roundhouse cars. I wasn't sure about the double door car.

[thomasjmdavis]

There is a website with downloadable spreadsheet listings on PS1s, both 50' and 40'.  The spreadsheets include info on which were welded and riveted, some door info, and other details.  It calls itself "steam era freight cars" but I note the build dates run into cars built in the 60s.
http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/prototype/frtcars/protofrtcarsmain.html

Useful info on other general freight car types also on the site.