Interchangeable Parts? Model Power 2-6-0 and 4-4-0

[VonRyan]

I picked up two bodies/chassis for $6 each today. One for a Model Power 2-6-0 and one for a 4-4-0. I also picked up a Model Power tender for $12.

Both chassis are sans wheels, motors, and worm gears. The 4-4-0 has none of the intermediate gears, but the 2-6-0 does. And in a box of bags of assorted parts, for $3 I was able to pick up a set of drivers and the connecting rods (but only one pin...) for the 2-6-0, but no pistons or the like, nor was I able to find wheels for the pilot truck. And for another $3 I picked up a bag of what I think are two connecting shafts and worms that hopefully are for Model Power steam engines.

My question is, are the drivers from the 2-6-0 the same as what are on the 4-4-0?
I'd like to be able to combine the parts I have to make the start of a Model Power 4-4-0.

And if anyone has any of the 4-4-0 parts that I'm missing, please PM me.
I'm shooting for a goal of spending no more than $50 to build a working Model Power 4-4-0. So far I'm at $30.

[delamaize]

My question is, are the drivers from the 2-6-0 the same as what are on the 4-4-0?
I'd like to be able to combine the parts I have to make the start of a Model Power 4-4-0.

No, the 2-6-0 and 4-4-0 use different drivers, the 2-6-0 has smaller diameter drivers IIRC. I'm at work, so I can't check my own at the moment.

IIRC, the MP pacifics and the MP 4-4-0 share drivers thought.....

[daniel_leavitt2000]

The  Mike and Mogul share drivers and a few side rod bits. The American and Pacific also share parts. A few of the gears are the same for all 4 models but I forget which ones.

The side rod pins sacked pretty bad on my two samples. You can use 00-90 bolts if you drill the pin hole with a #61 bit and widen the side rod holes with a #59 bit. You can also try thread locker.

[delamaize]

Also, just FYI, these things are kind of a puzzle box to put together, if you need help, Ask, a lot of us here have had these apart and back together a ton of times.

Another Suggestion, to 100% improve runnability, do this:
http://www.trainboard.com/highball/index.php?threads/model-power-2-6-0-problems.65719/

Using the Bachmann tender is the best thing you can do to improve these locomotives. I have done it to all of mine, my 4-4-0, 2-6-0 and 4-6-2, and it has put them as some of my best runners.

[glakedylan]

I have a 1st production MP 4-6-2 that I received in pieces
you can have it for the cost of shipping if you want it
there is no tender frame
the motor is dead
let me know
sincerely
Gary

[delamaize]

I have a 1st production MP 4-6-2 that I received in pieces
you can have it for the cost of shipping if you want it
there is no tender frame
the motor is dead
let me know
sincerely
Gary

I'd go for this Cody, at the least, you'll end up with the drivers you need for the 4-4-0....

[VonRyan]

Also, just FYI, these things are kind of a puzzle box to put together, if you need help, Ask, a lot of us here have had these apart and back together a ton of times.

Another Suggestion, to 100% improve runnability, do this:
http://www.trainboard.com/highball/index.php?threads/model-power-2-6-0-problems.65719/

Using the Bachmann tender is the best thing you can do to improve these locomotives. I have done it to all of mine, my 4-4-0, 2-6-0 and 4-6-2, and it has put them as some of my best runners.

I didnt see in that trainboard thread whether or not those 2-6-0 fixes are the same for the 4-4-0.

But I believe I still have parts for a short Bachmann tender somewhere around here, so hopefully I can fit the Model Power tender shell (Boston & Maine) to the Bachmann tender frame that I have here.

I'd go for this Cody, at the least, you'll end up with the drivers you need for the 4-4-0....

Indeed. Are the pilot wheels on the Pacific also the same as on the 4-4-0? That'll at least get me a rolling chassis once I get the gears transferred from the 2-6-0 chassis to the 4-4-0 one.
Hopefully I bought the right worm-gears... I have a Bachmann S4 motor around here somewhere that perhaps I can use. If not, I have a Mashima can motor that I could chop the rear drive-shaft off of, if the motor isn't all together too big to use.

[delamaize]

I didnt see in that trainboard thread whether or not those 2-6-0 fixes are the same for the 4-4-0.

But I believe I still have parts for a short Bachmann tender somewhere around here, so hopefully I can fit the Model Power tender shell (Boston & Maine) to the Bachmann tender frame that I have here.


Indeed. Are the pilot wheels on the Pacific also the same as on the 4-4-0? That'll at least get me a rolling chassis once I get the gears transferred from the 2-6-0 chassis to the 4-4-0 one.
Hopefully I bought the right worm-gears... I have a Bachmann S4 motor around here somewhere that perhaps I can use. If not, I have a Mashima can motor that I could chop the rear drive-shaft off of, if the motor isn't all together too big to use.

The 2-6-0 and 4-4-0 is the same process for using the bachmann tender, I have done it quite a few times.

THe Pacific and the 4-4-0 do have the same pilot trucks, Although I'm not sure about the worms or motor. /

I'll dig out my MP locos, and take a few pictures for you.

[delamaize]

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I don't have the paperwork for the 2-6-0 anymore, but here is the 4-4-0 diagrams.
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[brokemoto]

You do want to go with some sort of all wheels live tender.

The stock MP tender shell will go onto the SPECTRUM slopeback chassis.   The SPECTRUM USRA switcher tender looks best on these, if you do not want the stock tender shell, although the USRA standard from either B-mann or Kato do not look that bad.

The pulling power on the eight wheeler is not the best, even with a B-mann tender.  I can not get one with two B-mann shorty cars on MT trucks and a MT epxress car up a 2,2 per-cent grade.   If you can get a seventy two inch driver with a traction tyre, that would help.   The MP eight wheeler and Pacific have seventy two inch drivers.  The Mikado and Mogul have sixty three.

[VonRyan]

So I have drivers in hand. And it appear that I might have had drivers for a Pacific all long. Who knows. I only know that I now have 10 drivers that all appear to be the same size. One of them is a traction-tire driver, but with only one tire.

I also learned that the wheel spacing on the American and Pacific pilot trucks is the same, but the trucks themselves are different. And while the wheels in the pacific pilot truck I have roll freely, when I put them in the American's pilot truck, they are not free rolling. Fun...

Also, how the heck do I get the gears out of the 2-6-0 chassis that I have and into the 4-4-0 chassis?

And what to do about a motor? Has anyone used anything other than the stock skew-wound three-pole motor in one of these 4-4-0s? The flyworm (flywheel-worm one-piece) also don't look like it's gonna want to come off of the stock motor. Are there any other options for the worm?

Again, trying to spend as little as possible. Since if it's gonna cost more than $50 to build myself a working 4-4-0 I would have been better off just spending $75 on a working one.

Since the MP tender isnt of much use (and since a Spectrum tender was recommended) I'm subtracting that from the total, so with the cost of shipping for the parts-only pacific that I just got in the mail, I'm at $24.50.

[delamaize]

So I have drivers in hand. And it appear that I might have had drivers for a Pacific all long. Who knows. I only know that I now have 10 drivers that all appear to be the same size. One of them is a traction-tire driver, but with only one tire.

I also learned that the wheel spacing on the American and Pacific pilot trucks is the same, but the trucks themselves are different. And while the wheels in the pacific pilot truck I have roll freely, when I put them in the American's pilot truck, they are not free rolling. Fun...

Also, how the heck do I get the gears out of the 2-6-0 chassis that I have and into the 4-4-0 chassis?

And what to do about a motor? Has anyone used anything other than the stock skew-wound three-pole motor in one of these 4-4-0s? The flyworm (flywheel-worm one-piece) also don't look like it's gonna want to come off of the stock motor. Are there any other options for the worm?

Again, trying to spend as little as possible. Since if it's gonna cost more than $50 to build myself a working 4-4-0 I would have been better off just spending $75 on a working one.

Since the MP tender isnt of much use (and since a Spectrum tender was recommended) I'm subtracting that from the total, so with the cost of shipping for the parts-only pacific that I just got in the mail, I'm at $24.50.

Do you have a motor for it? the original motors are not that bad overall.
If you want to ship me everything you got, and a slope back Bachman Spectrum tender, I can try to get a working 4-4-0 for you. I'm pretty experienced with these now. Just pay shipping.

PM me, or hit me up on facebook if you're interested.

[VonRyan]

Do you have a motor for it? the original motors are not that bad overall.
If you want to ship me everything you got, and a slope back Bachman Spectrum tender, I can try to get a working 4-4-0 for you. I'm pretty experienced with these now. Just pay shipping.

PM me, or hit me up on facebook if you're interested.

I've got a motor, but it only has one brush. The plastic looks a might bit tired so I guess it had a bad date with a soldering iron in it's life.

I mind as well just send you all the bits and pieces. I must not have the right tools or something because I can't seem to get these darn gears out of the 2-6-0 chassis.

[ChristianJDavis1]

I've got a motor, but it only has one brush. The plastic looks a might bit tired so I guess it had a bad date with a soldering iron in it's life.

I mind as well just send you all the bits and pieces. I must not have the right tools or something because I can't seem to get these darn gears out of the 2-6-0 chassis.

Mind posting a picture of the gears in question for reference? You may be overlooking something (or could be entirely correct on needing more tools). Either way, I am curious.