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Re: So... where's the cut lever here?
« Reply #15 on: November 24, 2020, 12:48:17 PM »
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The early Janney couplers didn't always have cut or operating levers. I've seen them with a handle on the pin itself. All of them were top operated. Early bottom operated ones had a lever that you needed to push downward to life the pin. I assumed that was for cutting car off on the fly as it could be operated from the bottom rung of the end ladder. Keep in mind that the AAR didn't exist and the ARA and the MCB association were just getting going in 1910 so there wasn't any kind of real standardization.  Back then it was acceptable to stand/ride on the footboards to operate the couplers

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Re: So... where's the cut lever here?
« Reply #16 on: November 24, 2020, 01:51:16 PM »
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It's a possibility that there isn't one, but... there IS one on the front (although with the train line on the wrong side).

How I wish I could just go look at the damn thing!

Also worth noting on this girl: even though she was built in 1895, she was still running in the 30s with an industrial concern, with whom the PRR swapped her for an 0-6-0.  She also has been moved around on her own wheels for display by the PRR and then the PC after that, so theoretically, it should be a functional piece of equipment.

It really IS perplexing though!!

I guess the good news is that, for now, at least, I can get away without adding one myself.

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Re: So... where's the cut lever here?
« Reply #17 on: November 24, 2020, 02:00:20 PM »
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I’m guessing that handle & chain on the centerline at the rear of the tender is part of the mechanism, obviously disconnected.

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Re: So... where's the cut lever here?
« Reply #18 on: November 24, 2020, 02:11:24 PM »
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I’m guessing that handle & chain on the centerline at the rear of the tender is part of the mechanism, obviously disconnected.


It's possible, but that handle looks like many handles that were attached to drains of some sort.
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Re: So... where's the cut lever here?
« Reply #19 on: November 24, 2020, 02:13:48 PM »
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What about that PDF you had of them in service. Any lift bars there?

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Re: So... where's the cut lever here?
« Reply #20 on: November 24, 2020, 02:50:08 PM »
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What about that PDF you had of them in service. Any lift bars there?

A good question! No photos, and the closest photo I get is this...  :RUEffinKiddingMe:



Although it does remind me I need a pole and pole holder.

But the drawings in it do include a standard looking cut lever. So I'll just go this route.



Good thought. Thanks Chris!

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Re: So... where's the cut lever here?
« Reply #21 on: November 24, 2020, 11:16:03 PM »
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(although with the train line on the wrong side).

The front air hose on the engineer's side seems to be a steam locomotive thing. I've seen that lots.
I would guess that it was to make switching with hand signals easier.
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Re: So... where's the cut lever here?
« Reply #22 on: November 24, 2020, 11:50:49 PM »
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This diagram does not match the locomotive in the photos. Where’s the toolbox in the diagram?

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Re: So... where's the cut lever here?
« Reply #23 on: November 25, 2020, 10:47:10 AM »
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This diagram does not match the locomotive in the photos. Where’s the toolbox in the diagram?

Yeah. Huh. That's a good point. There's quite a bit of discrepancies there (even ignoring the later cab changes).



And check this out. Three engines. Three different tenders.





I also got a reply from the RR Museum of PA:

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The H3 was received without a cut lever. Instead, the handle and chain
was used to pull the coupler pin from the top of the tender. There are
rub marks on the lid of the toolbox at the rear of the tender to
indicate that the chain was installed a long time ago.  That is all of
the information we have.

Al Martin
Curator.


So basically: this era is nuts.

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Re: So... where's the cut lever here?
« Reply #24 on: November 25, 2020, 05:17:59 PM »
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When Mr Martin says "was received", does he mean when the museum received the locomotive or when the Pennsylvania Railroad received the locomotive?

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Re: So... where's the cut lever here?
« Reply #25 on: November 25, 2020, 06:28:33 PM »
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I think the museum received it that way.

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Re: So... where's the cut lever here?
« Reply #26 on: November 25, 2020, 08:25:42 PM »
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The last photo appears to match the tender they have.