Calling all cn asshats: GMD-1 question

[thbguy]

Hello all,

The GMD-1 1900-series (4-wheel) were regulars in southern Ontario in the late 1960s, and were often used on the Toronto-Hamilton commuter trains. Some were based in Spadina (Toronto) at that time. I have no evidence that an A-1-A version of a GMD-1 was in southern Ontario at that time, but I wish that I did.

The Hawker Siddeley (H-S) cabooses (150) were built in beginning in 1967, but the Pointe-Ste-Charles (modern) caboose building program started in 1970 using old 1937-era boxcars.  548 were built by 1977.

If anyone finds an in-service photo of a non-1900 series GMD-1 in southern Ontario in 1967-1968, I would be very, very interested to see it. 

Michael Livingston
Modelling southern Ontario in N-scale: 1936, 1948, 1956, 1968, 1978, 1986
 

[Lenny53]

The Hawker Siddeley (H-S) cabooses (150) were built in beginning in 1967, but the Pointe-Ste-Charles (modern) caboose building program started in 1970 using old 1937-era boxcars.  548 were built by 1977.

Michael Livingston
Modelling southern Ontario in N-scale: 1936, 1948, 1956, 1968, 1978, 1986

The HS vans had very different side windows from the PSC ones,  I will post a pic of one on the next Thursday Proto Photo.

[nkalanaga]

Ed:  Was the F a US regulation, ICC or FRA?  if so, Canadian units which didn't enter the US might not have had one.

[Ed Kapuscinski]

Ed:  Was the F a US regulation, ICC or FRA?  if so, Canadian units which didn't enter the US might not have had one.

I'm not really sure. It might've also been a union agreement as well.

Either would explain it. I wonder if @Puddington has any insight.

[Missaberoad]

The prototypes had the f on the frame...

[Puddington]

The as built green and gold units had "FR" and "FL" (Front Right and Front Left) on them... (as if F wasn't enough) The "F" paint simply wore off on some or got dirty but was there until the 1961 "CN" worm paint where it appears to have been left off a majority of the units... but not all.... . Then; when the RED Cab design was applied, it appears to have been re-applied... on most... .... Now; this is CN; they are noted for inconsistency. The "CN" worm has no fewer than five positions and three sizes that were applied when the original 1961 paint was applied.... you have yo know how much fun that was to deal with when finalizing artwork...........

http://www.cnrphotos.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=50925
1051 in Green and Gold - see "FL" on the frame

http://www.cnrphotos.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=51277&g2_imageViewsIndex=2
1061 in 1961 CN with the F marking...

http://www.cnrphotos.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=64359&g2_imageViewsIndex=2
1057 in 1961 without the F marking (or it's gone...?)

http://www.cnrphotos.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=51281
1064 in Red Cab with F marking

http://www.cnrphotos.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=23591&g2_imageViewsIndex=2
1005 in Red Cab without the F marking

... and just for laughs, 1008 - look at the position of the CN noodle with regard to the end of the "N" that bisects the louvers and the position in relation to the stacks....

http://www.cnrphotos.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=19675

... and now 1016...... um...ah..... "one of these thongs is not like the other..."

... and just for laughs, 1008 - look at the position of the CN noodle with regard to the end of the "N" that bisects the louvers and the position in relation to the stacks....

CN - "Consistant....Nah!"

[Missaberoad]

Its awesome to see a manufacturer take the time tho, rather then just work off one prototype for the class...

I love to see these variations across a fleet... it would make for an interesting modeling project...

[lock4244]

If anyone finds an in-service photo of a non-1900 series GMD-1 in southern Ontario in 1967-1968, I would be very, very interested to see it. 

Michael Livingston
Modelling southern Ontario in N-scale: 1936, 1948, 1956, 1968, 1978, 1986

Not Southern Ontario and not in 1967/68, but it was east and proof the A-1-A's ventured east after construction. Granted, being two years old, likely being tested and not assigned.

See Trainman's time book about 3/5ths down the page:
http://www.rapidotrains.com/blog/category/gmd-1-tour/

[nkalanaga]

Ed:  I do know that the "F" wasn't a union agreement matter.  It was a formal regulation, by somebody, but I can't remember which agency.  It could also have been the AAR, in which case it probably would have applied in Canada, but I think it was one of the US government agencies.