Con Cor F3s by Fleischmann and Roco- dimensions

[scaro]

Hi

I am just trying to get some idea of what height, width and length the shell of this loco was.  I had one years ago, and recall it being way too big for N ... this was to fit it on a European chassis, like Marklin's awful Z F7 or similar things done in TT over the years.   

Best not to ask why I want to know.

Regards,

Benjamin

[LV LOU]

Scaro,they're pretty much the same dimensions as any other F unit of the period.The inside width is .704,outside is .812... 4.032 long outside,.782 high.I'm actually doing two ABA sets right now.I have a few Life Like F7's in CNJ blue,and CNJ mixed them with their F3's,so I'm doing an ABA in orange & blue,and a set of O&W's.I already have Intermountain green ABBA's,and an ABA set of Kato orange & blue CNJ's,these are just to run with the F7's.I may do a green & yellow A&B,too.I have my own pilot castings to update the crappy ROCO pilots..I'm updating the wheels with blackened Life Like's..

[scaro]

hi lou

thanks for that.  they'd be too small for what I want to do with them.

as for mixing blue CNJ F7s with their F3s, i think a question re the chances of seeing the two together was raised before on one of the yahoo CNJ forums and as i recall, the conclusion was that these locos sort of missed each other. 

the F3s went in trade to EMD for the SD35s in mid-late 1965 and i think blue leased B&O F7s came along in early 1966.  there's a photo from jan 1966 in pg 90 of 'jersey central lines in color vol 3', but it's at allentown.  i am not sure it was one of the leased units. they were repainted and renumbered to CNJ only in december 1967.  also one N&W unit, 3715, was briefly repainted as CNJ 27 but this was reversed as apparently the locos were not technically N&W's to lease in the first place, or some other complication, due to the N&W only having leased but not bought the wabash, which owned the units.  allegedly there are photos of CNJ 27 in CNJ blue (ie, B&O blue) renumbered and with the miss liberty herald, but they are rare. CNJ had to repaint the unit back into N&W black with imitation gold lettering.

cheers, benjamin

[scaro]

hi lou

thanks for that.  they'd be too small for what I want to do with them.

as for mixing blue CNJ F7s with their F3s, i think a question re the chances of seeing the two together was raised before on one of the yahoo CNJ forums and as i recall, the conclusion was that these locos sort of missed each other. 

the F3s went in trade to EMD for the SD35s in mid-late 1965 and i think blue leased B&O F7s came along in early 1966.  there's a photo from jan 1966 in pg 90 of 'jersey central lines in color vol 3', but it's at allentown and it is not of the leased units.

they were repainted and renumbered to CNJ only in december 1967.  also one N&W unit, 3715, was briefly repainted as CNJ 27 but this was reversed as apparently the locos were not technically N&W's to lease in the first place, or some other complication due to the N&W only having leased but not bought the wabash, the actual owner of the units.  allegedly there are photos of CNJ 27 in CNJ blue (ie, B&O blue) renumbered and with the miss liberty herald, but they are rare. CNJ had to repaint the unit back into N&W black with imitation gold lettering.

cheers, benjamin