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Reducing Locomotive Noise
« on: October 24, 2013, 06:45:20 AM »
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I ran my new Atlas GP9 on my test track and although it ran smoothly, there was a noticeable buzzing noise.  I removed the body shell and ran the engine again.  It ran smoothly and quietly and the buzzing was gone so I didn’t think I’d have to use Ron Bearden’s solution to noise.  I had used thin styrene on my Atlas RS1 to reduce the noise but thought I’d use something that was more sound absorbent.  I used silicone adhesive to attach small pieces of copier paper to the Gp9’s frame, reattached the body shell and ran the engine again. The difference was amazing!  The buzzing was reduced by about 75%.  I’d like to have the engine run as quietly as my Kato engines so I attached small strips of Taymia masking tape to the top and to both ends of the frame and again ran the engine with the shell attached.  The photo shows the end result. The unit now runs as quietly and smoothly as my Kato engines and my Lifelike GP60.  Well, I couldn't find how to attach an image of the mechanism.  I have posted it on another site.

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Re: Reducing Locomotive Noise
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2013, 08:42:46 AM »
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That's the thing I've noticed generally with Atlas and some Fox Valley locomotives is when you remove the shell for whatever reason, the mechanism is always noisier than prior to disassembly. I don't exactly know why. For that reason, I dread opening up Atlas locomotives. And it's funny how the noise becomes apparent after the shell is replaced. You can run the mechanism alone for hours and not hear a thing. The shell goes on an there's the noise. Grrrr....

I'm assuming these are not equipped with DCC and if you check this forum there might be some traffic about that situation. Some decoders create a slight buzzing noise, some don't.

Regardless of DCC or not, here's what I've done to both.

I've suspected it has something to do with the shell being slightly distorted when removed from the mechanism. Maybe if I left the locomotive alone for a few days after assembly that might cure it but I'm not that patient. I need to solve it immediately it seems.

There are many "noise abatement" solutions tried including packing sections of foam to fill the empty voids in the locomotive to reduce noise and vibration. Nothing really noticeable there. Tried electrical tape on the frame and had some success there. Swapped trucks end for end and sometimes the noise is reduced. 

Done the Beardon fix on most of the problem locomotives and that helps, but doesn't work on the First Gen Kato F-Units (where the motor is completely enclosed by the frame): too much slop in the drive train as a result.

The other thing that was tried was loosen the two screws that secure the mechanism to make it a little wider than from the factory to prevent shell vibration and that seemed to work.

Your solution is an approach I've not thought about and I will try it out the next time I dissect an Atlas.

Thanks for the tip!

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Re: Reducing Locomotive Noise
« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2013, 08:57:59 AM »
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Never thought about this before. I think using some sort of adhesive to fasten the shells makes a lot of sense. I don't think I would go with silicone though. Hard to remove the stuff when you no longer want it. I would suggest tacky glue. I works like silicon, but can be easily removed.

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Re: Reducing Locomotive Noise
« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2013, 09:00:52 AM »
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Sounds more like noise from the shell, which is not just an N scale loco issue.  I've got a HO SD75I where the flywheel hits the inside of the body.  Haven't had time to investigate on fixing it. 

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Re: Reducing Locomotive Noise
« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2013, 09:07:29 AM »
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Thank you for your replys and ideas.  I suspect that the noise may be caused by the thinness of the shell.  The shell has to be fairly thin to get a correct scale width.  It could also be a factor of a little distortion as the shell cools coming out of the molding machine. 

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Re: Reducing Locomotive Noise
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2013, 09:31:27 AM »
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My theory is that when you put the shell back on after taking the mechanism apart, it rattles because the fit is not the same (the shell is looser).  I try not to draw the two frame screws so tight as to pull the frames halves closer together then the factory did.  I only snug the screws down and go no tighter.  That seems to have taken care of most of the shell rattle that I have dealt with.  I think this is why the tape on the cholmes' mechanism worked.  It made the shell fit tighter and stop the rattling.

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Re: Reducing Locomotive Noise
« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2013, 09:41:56 AM »
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I have seen a similar problem with a GP and found the the motor cradle was letting the flywheel on one side come close to contacting the frame. The "squeeze" of the shell was is enough to cause it to make contact. Try replacing the motor cradle

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Re: Reducing Locomotive Noise
« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2013, 04:00:12 PM »
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It ran smoothly and quietly and the buzzing was gone so I didn’t think I’d have to use Ron Bearden’s solution to noise.

What is this Bearden solution of which you speak?

Jim

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Re: Reducing Locomotive Noise
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2013, 04:35:49 PM »
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"Beardenizing" from the source, Ron Bearden:

http://trainweb.org/passengercars/Bearingblock.pdf

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Re: Reducing Locomotive Noise
« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2013, 05:08:47 PM »
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Excellent! Thank you, Dave. I have a GP that seems to be getting louder and louder ...

Jim