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If they come with TT installed and new tender pickup as promised many years back they will be winners.The MP wiper system pickup is straight off an HO loco but otherwise I like these loco's a lot. A Pacific with TT will pull 40+ cars no sweat. I am using their chassis for a few projects and they are the only current Pacific available. If they would make a Heavy Pacific shell, they could cover more ground with them and I would retire a few Rivarossi Atlas loco's.