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Title: Who are these guys?
Post by: Lenny53 on February 16, 2023, 05:55:11 AM
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Title: Re: Who are these guys?
Post by: Mark5 on February 16, 2023, 06:28:12 AM
Evemodel: https://www.eve-modeler.com

https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?topic=51130.0
Title: Re: Who are these guys?
Post by: Lenny53 on February 16, 2023, 06:50:43 AM
Evemodel: https://www.eve-modeler.com

https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?topic=51130.0

Thanks, nice to see entry level offerings for a change.
Title: Re: Who are these guys?
Post by: dem34 on February 16, 2023, 09:27:19 AM
And from experience, they aren't that bad either. Atlas resells their pre wired Streetlights. And I bought a pack of their N scale houses. While really generic and simple I haven't really found anything that jumps outs as poor manufacturing quality. Somebody did do a test of their rolling stock trucks and found them a little stiff, same with the couplers, might be that they don't use Delrin.
Title: Re: Who are these guys?
Post by: bigdawgks on February 16, 2023, 09:30:08 AM
The consensus I've seen around the internet is that this is an entirely Chinese brand, possibility by a factory that once (or still is) made products for western model rail companies, but decided to have their own independent go at the market.
Title: Re: Who are these guys?
Post by: bigdawgks on February 16, 2023, 09:47:10 AM
For more information, these appear to be the same folks behind "Everest Models", a seller on UK eBay selling European N scale stuff. There's a thread about it here:
https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=56267.0

One of the users there made the speculation that this may be a case of "third-shift" counterfeiting. That is entirely a possibility if these cars very closely resemble those from other manufacturers.
Title: Re: Who are these guys?
Post by: Sokramiketes on February 16, 2023, 10:00:55 AM
"Chat GPT, design me a farmhouse in the American style"

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Title: Re: Who are these guys?
Post by: Scottl on February 16, 2023, 10:03:43 AM
Their decorated containers are pretty good.  Lots of door-end painted detail.
Title: Re: Who are these guys?
Post by: Philip H on February 16, 2023, 11:56:19 AM
All of their freight cars are era V European stuff.
Title: Re: Who are these guys?
Post by: thomasjmdavis on February 16, 2023, 06:48:59 PM
Their gondolas are 13 panels, which look similar to versions of the Con-Cor product of 30 years ago (also a 13 panel gondola).
Title: Re: Who are these guys?
Post by: MetroRedLine on February 16, 2023, 06:57:59 PM
Their decorated containers are pretty good.  Lots of door-end painted detail.

It looks like they have connecting pins. If they're stackable with the JTC/Atlas/Walthers pin spacing, I'd seriously consider these.
Title: Re: Who are these guys?
Post by: jagged ben on February 16, 2023, 08:33:07 PM
It looks like they have connecting pins. If they're stackable with the JTC/Atlas/Walthers pin spacing, I'd seriously consider these.

They are. 

They're probably the same as Rolland Industrial, if you're familiar with those.  At least the hi-cube 40ft.
Title: Re: Who are these guys?
Post by: Scottl on February 16, 2023, 09:05:47 PM
Yes, they stack well.  The seem to only have one magnet in the center so 40's and 20's don't connect properly.  They sell painted/undecorated versions too that do not come with magnets.
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Title: Re: Who are these guys?
Post by: MetroRedLine on February 16, 2023, 09:06:09 PM
They are. 

They're probably the same as Rolland Industrial, if you're familiar with those.  At least the hi-cube 40ft.

Is this absolutely confirmed? If so, I'm sold.

I did buy some of the Rolland 20' and 40' containers when they were released a decade or so ago. They have no pins whatsoever though, only magnets. And unlike JTC, they used magnets on both the top and bottom (as opposed to a metal plate like the JTCs); that resulted in them having opposing polarities with the JTC/Athearn/Kato magnetic containers.
Title: Re: Who are these guys?
Post by: Scottl on February 16, 2023, 09:24:37 PM
I'm not convinced they are Roland.  I have a few Roland and they are dimensionally a little different. 

TBH, the containers in question look like JT with a different (plain) floor.   
Title: Re: Who are these guys?
Post by: Plumcrazy on February 18, 2023, 08:33:11 PM
These containers have been mentioned before on this forum . I am sure the 40’ containers are the same as JTC (JTC was annoyed by this ) and the 53’ containers are the same as Atlas . Not sure about the 20’ containers. These are very nice models at a great price the only issue I had is some of the magnets were not in the same orientation and the containers would repel each other rather than attract What’s funny is that if these containers are being made during off hours or unscrupulously they still honoured the wishes of maersk sealand , and stopped producing or selling their containers with the maersk trade mark
Title: Re: Who are these guys?
Post by: DirtyD79 on February 19, 2023, 12:16:30 AM
They've also got a decent set of modern era HO scale vehicles. They're the 4D brand ones. They're not the most detailed and you have to assemble them yourself but 16 modern era HO scale vehicles for about 17 bucks is just way too good of a deal to pass up.
Title: Re: Who are these guys?
Post by: daniel_leavitt2000 on February 19, 2023, 10:03:41 AM
Are those PFE R-70-11 reefers? Have these been done in N before? I don't recall anything 50/52' in length with diagonal ribs bracketing the doors.
Title: Re: Who are these guys?
Post by: oakcreekco on February 19, 2023, 10:39:10 AM
These containers have been mentioned before on this forum . I am sure the 40’ containers are the same as JTC (JTC was annoyed by this ) and the 53’ containers are the same as Atlas . Not sure about the 20’ containers. These are very nice models at a great price the only issue I had is some of the magnets were not in the same orientation and the containers would repel each other rather than attract What’s funny is that if these containers are being made during off hours or unscrupulously they still honoured the wishes of maersk sealand , and stopped producing or selling their containers with the maersk trade mark

Nothing like supporting an ethical "law abiding" Chinese manufacturer. 😂
Title: Re: Who are these guys?
Post by: thomasjmdavis on February 19, 2023, 12:04:56 PM
Are those PFE R-70-11 reefers? Have these been done in N before? I don't recall anything 50/52' in length with diagonal ribs bracketing the doors.
In ancient times.... http://www.spookshow.net/freight/roco50plugreefer.html  (probably a bit short and definitely not fine detail)

Also, Skytop produced a highly detailed shell.... http://www.spookshow.net/freight/skytopreefer.html
Title: Re: Who are these guys?
Post by: daniel_leavitt2000 on February 19, 2023, 01:41:24 PM
In ancient times.... http://www.spookshow.net/freight/roco50plugreefer.html  (probably a bit short and definitely not fine detail)

Also, Skytop produced a highly detailed shell.... http://www.spookshow.net/freight/skytopreefer.html

Different tooling. This new car looks like it has correct doors.
Title: Re: Who are these guys?
Post by: Tom L on February 19, 2023, 09:55:39 PM
I was somewhat intrigued that they offer a wood side reefer with metal ends and roof, but the angle of the roof looks a little too steep to me.

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Tom L
Wellington CO
Title: Re: Who are these guys?
Post by: thomasjmdavis on February 19, 2023, 10:25:48 PM
Different tooling. This new car looks like it has correct doors.
Sorry, I wasn't meaning to imply that the Roco model was an accurate rendition of the  PFE R-70-11, just responding to "I don't recall anything 50/52' in length with diagonal ribs bracketing the doors". Obviously the Roco is different tooling, as I indicated by saying "probably too short and not fine detail".  The Skytop looks pretty good to me, but I admit to not being an expert on SP refrigerator cars.
Title: Re: Who are these guys?
Post by: peteski on February 19, 2023, 11:15:17 PM
I was somewhat intrigued that they offer a wood side reefer with metal ends and roof, but the angle of the roof looks a little too steep to me.
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Tom L
Wellington CO

Funny that the board gaps are very reminiscent of those Rapido Trains meat reefers.  :facepalm:  Good thing it's some off-brand model, not from one of the well known model manufacturers.  I hope those board gaps are never repeated by any of them.  The side ladder also looks rather thick.