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General Discussion => Product Discussion => Topic started by: bbussey on June 17, 2022, 05:22:03 PM
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New Atlas 2022 Summer catalog is out. N scale RS-3, RDS-4/5, B23-7, B30-7, B36-7 with sound. Also MP-36 and Metra cars in HO
https://shop.atlasrr.com/d-678-summer-2022-ho-n-pre-orders.aspx
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Nothing for me but some more Pemex tankcars. But that's not necessarily a bad thing, since I have a trainload of spine cars to pay for.
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Awesome!
Here's the PDF for those inclined: https://download.atlasrr.com/0622PDF/Summer2022HONMSRPOnly.pdf
Finally, a proto Bakelite! (3500 Dryflo) 8)
Will have to look those 20,700 tanks over to see if any fit my era.
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Wish they would do the modern hooded signals in N scale like BLMA had originally planned.
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I would like to see them start delivering products faster than they announce them and get caught up. FA-1’s from 2020 would be great!
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Interesting that the artwork for the Southern B23-7 shows the correct two horns instead of the single horn like the previous run. Perhaps using BLMA horns?
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RS-3’s! Yes! No Interstate though, which sucks. Oh well, at least they’re doing undecs and have run the Interstate scheme before
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I cant' believe they're charging an extra $10 for the white frame stripe on the Conrail B23-7s while more complex paints schemes like Santa Fe and Southern are at the lower price. Retracting my previous rant. I see the white sill version incudes ditch lights.
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Definitely a great time to be a 90s SP N scale modeler. The announcement a while back of Speed Lettered SD50s with ditch lights, now B30-7s with ditch lights. ScaleTrains doing the C44-9Ws a little while back. Now if they do the ex FVM GP60s in SP, SSW, and DRGW. As its too bad the Atlas, ex Walthers/Life-Like, GP60s weren't upgraded with ditch lights.
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I note another run (4th?) of the NKP ex-W&LE caboose. I already have 6 of these and don't think I really need more. Now, another run of the the former Fox Valley bay windows would get my attention...
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Central Farmers 20k tank can find a home on my layout.
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:| The Santa Fe RSD-4/5 and BN RS-3 are really tempting. I don't know why I am attracted to Alco RS units, but they are among my favorites (along with EMD F units). The big decision is trying to predict the future with pre-orders. If a pre-order will likely arrive within a year, OK. However at age 78, I hesitate to preorder something that may arrive five or more years later. Here are a couple of my older Atlas RSDs:
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/29/3801-180622105946.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=29562)(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/29/3801-180622110029.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=29563)
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Unfortunately, no scheme on the RS3 or RSD4 units that I can use. Not a big surprise. Apparently, model manufacturers don't want anyone to model pre-1960 anymore. Story of my life lately. But...well, it's not like I need another locomotive. Leaves me more $$$ to spend on layout and some kits I'd like to buy, along with paying off a couple pre-orders that should arrive later this year.
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Unfortunately, no scheme on the RS3 or RSD4 units that I can use. Not a big surprise. Apparently, model manufacturers don't want anyone to model pre-1960 anymore. Story of my life lately. But...well, it's not like I need another locomotive. Leaves me more $$$ to spend on layout and some kits I'd like to buy, along with paying off a couple pre-orders that should arrive later this year.
Did you miss all the RS3s?
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Do I need another Beaten 23?
Absolutely.
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A sound equipped RSD looks fun. Though I'm surprised they are only offering it with the RSDs and not the RSes. Atleast with Atlas's older runs they shared an identical chassis.
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A sound equipped RSD looks fun. Though I'm surprised they are only offering it with the RSDs and not the RSes. Atleast with Atlas's older runs they shared an identical chassis.
The RS-3 units also will be sound-equipped. The two models still share the same chassis.
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Did you miss all the RS3s?
I probably should have been more specific in my lament about which roads I model. But we are seeing lots of blue and yellow ATSF units lately, but few zebra stripes. And Erie Lackawanna instead of Erie. L&N 60s paint scheme. I assume the PRR and NH are 50s- but I don't model either of them. Not sure when D&H adopted the gray-blue scheme.
From a marketing point of view, it probably makes sense. As time goes on, manufacturers are making models of more modern prototypes. And no doubt the modelers who buy those more modern locos want other models in the more modern paint schemes (60s or 70s era paint schemes on GP-9s or RS-3s) to go with Uboats and SD-40-2s, etc- certainly realistic for folks modeling those timeframes. But it does leave those of us modeling the mid 50s and earlier with fewer options other than painting our own.
Luckily for me, my 20 year old Kato Fs and Atlas geeps in 50s paint schemes seem likely to outlive me, and I have done enough TCS CN DCC installs to feel comfortable doing it.
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wow, I am blind :facepalm:
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Some nice stuff, but my wallet is safe.
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Some nice stuff, but my wallet is safe.
Same here, which is good if pre-orders start showing up
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Do I need another Beaten 23?
Absolutely.
The answer, of course, is yes.
I literally have about 30 of these and I'll still get one. If for no other reason that I want to see how these sound compared to my ESU installations.
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Same here, which is good if pre-orders start showing up
Oh yes, that's my thinking too.
I've got some I'm waiting for that I "have to have," so all will end up well, at least for a bit.
😆 🤣 😂
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I wonder if the older shells will fit on the new sound mechs. I have some detailed Reading units to which I would love to add sound.
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Still no CSX Bright Future B30 or 36, wallet safe.
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I wonder if the older shells will fit on the new sound mechs. I have some detailed Reading units to which I would love to add sound.
I’ve got a couple geeps that I’ve done that with, and the only issue is the light tubes. Atlas filled in the notch where the bulb used to sit and the new light tubes are thinner and run up the top to the LED. So the old shells will sit slightly propped up. Swapping the light tubes would fix that though.
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Still no CSX Bright Future B30 or 36, wallet safe.
No Conrail B36-7’s either. I was excited to see the GE Dash 7’s in the announcement, then disappointed that the owner of the second largest fleet was not represented again. Hopefully the next run.
Jeff
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Atlas is gonna run those GE B unit molds until they wear out like an early GE diesel.
Not much of interest here, which might be good with what's on pre order at Scale Trains. Expecting my shipment of Rapido GP20s too.
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I wonder if the older shells will fit on the new sound mechs. I have some detailed Reading units to which I would love to add sound.
Yes that is what I was wondering; if the previous Atlas/China shells will fit. I suspect they might as while there will have to be changes to the mechanism, they would probably want to avoid altering the tooling for the shells. That being said, there are some errors which could be fixed . . .
Poor choice of road numbers for the British Columbia Railway RS-3s - 561 had a unique-sized cab logo and 569 was a chop-nose . . . email sent.
Tim
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No Conrail B36-7’s either. I was excited to see the GE Dash 7’s in the announcement, then disappointed that the owner of the second largest fleet was not represented again. Hopefully the next run.
Jeff
Well since they have ignore the largest fleet in there longest serving scheme, i am not surprise. They have done them in HO thought.
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No Conrail B36-7’s either. I was excited to see the GE Dash 7’s in the announcement, then disappointed that the owner of the second largest fleet was not represented again. Hopefully the next run.
Jeff
I know that, in the past, I was told it's because they're not accurate for the Conrail B36s. The Conrail units used a different frame or something so it's not just an issue like "wrong door latches" or something like that, but something that makes them far enough off for them not to do them.
So, I think I might work on getting some undecs and doing the most famous trio of Conrail B36-7s: 5044-5052-5045.
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I know that, in the past, I was told it's because they're not accurate for the Conrail B36s. The Conrail units used a different frame or something so it's not just an issue like "wrong door latches" or something like that, but something that makes them far enough off for them not to do them.
So, I think I might work on getting some undecs and doing the most famous trio of Conrail B36-7s: 5044-5052-5045.
I have not examined them with a fine toothed comb to be certain what the short comings are. Did Atlas not base their model of one of the owners of a small fleet of B36-7’s. Santa Fe maybe? Meanwhile, CSX (Seaboard System 120) owned the most and Conrail (60) second most. Those account for 180 of the 230 GE sold. Not sure why you would not base the model on the largest purchasers of the prototype. Are those three CR ones you want to model the ones from Chase, Maryland?
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I have not examined them with a fine toothed comb to be certain what the short comings are. Did Atlas not base their model of one of the owners of a small fleet of B36-7’s. Santa Fe maybe? Meanwhile, CSX (Seaboard System 120) owned the most and Conrail (60) second most. Those account for 180 of the 230 GE sold. Not sure why you would not base the model on the largest purchasers of the prototype. Are those three CR ones you want to model the ones from Chase, Maryland?
Yep, they're the infamous trio.
Oh, figured it out! It's the truck centers.
https://trainiax.net/mephase-geb-7.php
I think all the other B Boats they do are the other one.
I mean, will I live with a 6" discrepancy in truck centers? Absolutely. But I can see why they might not do them from the factory.
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I suppose I'll just have to resign myself that all Atlas offerings of anything from now on in NH colors will only be McGinnis versions. Best I buy one of the first-run FAs and repaint it. Your rebuttal, Mr Bussey?
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Yep, they're the infamous trio.
Oh, figured it out! It's the truck centers.
https://trainiax.net/mephase-geb-7.php
I think all the other B Boats they do are the other one.
I mean, will I live with a 6" discrepancy in truck centers? Absolutely. But I can see why they might not do them from the factory.
I think most N scale CR modelers would not know the difference. I could live with it. As long as the Conrail units are with GE factory paint and fat exhaust stacks, I say produce them. They would not want to do them in HO, since HO has B36-7’s from Rapido which are spot on. Thanks.
Jeff
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I suppose I'll just have to resign myself that all Atlas offerings of anything from now on in NH colors will only be McGinnis versions. Best I buy one of the first-run FAs and repaint it. Your rebuttal, Mr Bussey?
Come on man, no need for that! :|
Frank
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I think most N scale CR modelers would not know the difference. I could live with it. As long as the Conrail units are with GE factory paint and fat exhaust stacks, I say produce them. They would not want to do them in HO, since HO has B36-7’s from Rapido which are spot on. Thanks.
Jeff
I agree. I'd love for Atlas to save me the work on doing my own. Maybe if we keep begging @Atlas Paul nicely.
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Tagging Paul won't do much. Last active Feb 9 2021.
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I do not need another tank car.
I do not need another tank car.
I do not need another tank car.
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I do not need another tank car.
I do not need another tank car.
I do not need another tank car.
Dooo it!
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I do not need another tank car.
I do not need another tank car.
I do not need another tank car.
Crap! Now I see some the 20,700s might grab my wallet! :scared:
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Has anybody else noticed that the artwork for the RSD's has truck mounted couplers and end steps/pilots? I have to think that is not really they way they will be made.
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Has anybody else noticed that the artwork for the RSD's has truck mounted couplers and end steps/pilots? I have to think that is not really they way they will be made.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Coupler looks kinda funny too.
Re-run of the Roco versions circa 1978? Or the AHM version I had in HO when I was 15? Coupler looks kinda funny too.
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So, I think I might work on getting some undecs and doing the most famous trio of Conrail B36-7s: 5044-5052-5045.
Ooh, the “Ricky Gates Special” a/k/a “Conrail Train No. 420.”
DFF
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Tagging Paul won't do much. Last active Feb 9 2021.
No wonder when there’s posts like this here:
I suppose I'll just have to resign myself that all Atlas offerings of anything from now on in NH colors will only be McGinnis versions. Best I buy one of the first-run FAs and repaint it. Your rebuttal, Mr Bussey?
He managed to go after two N scale manufacturers in one post. Jolly good work, sir! :RUEffinKiddingMe:
DFF
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Just out of curiosity I checked on scaletrains, they haven't checked in since May 2021 either. And people are fanboys of them :D
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Just out of curiosity I checked on scaletrains, they haven't checked in since May 2021 either. And people are fanboys of them :D
How about the rapido guys?
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How about the rapido guys?
They got run off years ago, 2019 to be exact. Then again, no one was busting a nut for them every time they announce something either
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They got run off years ago, 2019 to be exact. Then again, no one was busting a nut for them every time they announce something either
Wow!
I guess the MTL guys have thick skin. ;)
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Wow!
I guess the MTL guys have thick skin. ;)
Maybe it has something to do with the relative size of the N scale audience here. How much airtime in Product Discussion goes to brand new HO releases? Most companies out there are, essentially, HO companies that occasionally make some stuff in N scale. MTL is mostly N, some Z, and occasional 3-D prints of HO accessories. So spending some time here represents market research for MTL, while the other companies are generally going to make an N scale version of whatever they are making in HO. A lot of us own hundreds of MTL cars, plus locomotives, collector sets, not to mention the couplers, trucks and details to upgrade other manufacturer's stuff. So there is a good customer base here.
That's not to say that there aren't good customers here for other brands- and it is obvious that each brand has some ardent supporters. But almost all of us in N scale are customers of MTL, and I think they appreciate us.
Plus, no doubt, they appreciate the witty repartee, and our polite and intelligent commentary on their products and manufacturing decisions. :D
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Tom D: The Atlas/Kato RS and RSD models from the 1980s(90s?) also had truck-mounted couplers, and were good units for the time. MT made, and probably still has, body-mount pilot kits for them.
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Plus, no doubt, they appreciate the witty repartee, and our polite and intelligent commentary on their products and manufacturing decisions. :D
It's that. It's definitely that. :lol:
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Tom D: The Atlas/Kato RS and RSD models from the 1980s(90s?) also had truck-mounted couplers, and were good units for the time. MT made, and probably still has, body-mount pilot kits for them.
True enough. I left those out of my list of RS units (they date from 1983, if memory serves). I was going for the humor, not really trying to compile a complete list. Still, if trying to sell a brand new loco that will retail for $150 bucks, why use an inaccurate 39 year old graphic for a $39.95 loco?
I have several Atlas/Kato RS2 chassis running under Baldwin cab shells and recently picked up an RSD mechanism that I'll use for something. My guess is that those will be running long after some newer chassis bite the dust.
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I have not examined them with a fine toothed comb to be certain what the short comings are. Did Atlas not base their model of one of the owners of a small fleet of B36-7’s. Santa Fe maybe? Meanwhile, CSX (Seaboard System 120) owned the most and Conrail (60) second most. Those account for 180 of the 230 GE sold. Not sure why you would not base the model on the largest purchasers of the prototype. Are those three CR ones you want to model the ones from Chase, Maryland?
Just a reminder that the resurrection of the Atlas B36-7 started right here on this board. We begged. We provided research....
And Atlas listened.
https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?topic=34399.msg398890#msg398890
There is no better example of a manufacturer who listened to the customer..... we, at least the @sshats.
:trollface:
So maybe you Conrail guys need to beg for a B36-7. The original concern Cory had years ago was that some folks would object to the loco being 1 N scale foot too short.
I for one, said I didn't care.
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I for one would really like to see someone produce a PRR RS3 with antennas applied
since they have such a special support system location and style.
I do not think that I am up to mounting my own in the way the prototype was.
Maybe some day.
Sincerely
Gary
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You mean something like this.
Judd Barton
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
exactly! and, good work...thanks for posting.
sincerely
Gary