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General Discussion => N and Z Scales => Topic started by: up1950s on March 07, 2014, 05:53:08 PM
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Got company coming over so I started this early .
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I guess I am first up with modeling stuff this week.
I installed the Farr creek bridge. I always find the installation of bridges "fiddly" especially when the scenery is nearly complete in the areas. It took quite a bit of time to line everything up and scenic around the piers. I made up new abutments and put in additional light above the area. When I had cut a hole in the Scupltamold+plaster cloth web scenery to make room for the piers I found I could shoot expanding foam into the area and within 24 hours it was skinned over enough to accept a light coat of Hydrocal if I was delicate with the application and carved rocks into it while it was still wet. This saved me a bit of time.
Here are a couple of progress shots and the nearly finished scene...I still need to add more delicate foliage but my supply of Supertrees material awaits a replenishing shipment.
...the holes
(http://www.trainboard.com/grapevine/attachment.php?attachmentid=62589&d=1394234749)
...the expanding foam
(http://www.trainboard.com/grapevine/attachment.php?attachmentid=62590&d=1394234756)
...the plastered and carved area ready for finishing
(http://www.trainboard.com/grapevine/attachment.php?attachmentid=62591&d=1394234762)
...and the nearly finished scene
(http://www.trainboard.com/grapevine/attachment.php?attachmentid=62567&d=1394167785)
(http://www.trainboard.com/grapevine/attachment.php?attachmentid=62565&d=1394167773)
(http://www.trainboard.com/grapevine/attachment.php?attachmentid=62563&d=1394167761)
(http://www.trainboard.com/grapevine/attachment.php?attachmentid=62562&d=1394167756)
...and for convenience here is the link to a video of *all* the big bridges on the C&W that is on the other thread.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMKjIb1-HD8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMKjIb1-HD8)
Have a great weekend!
md
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Mark, do use a favour, will ya? Please do something poorly once just so the rest of us can feel a little better in our pedestrian endeavors. :P
Beautiful as always!
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Been doing some 3D stuff lately.
My CMO Express car needed a LN Brake Valve.
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-kmsmMYLP8wE/Uxj-9I-v8DI/AAAAAAAAIr4/gF8jUAYI934/s800/2014-03-06%252015.56.45.jpg)
You'll have to take my word for it looking like this:
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-mP2lI54MOI8/UxpYwamJAtI/AAAAAAAAIsQ/2yZQJEHejSs/s800/lnbrake2.jpg)
I'm having some buyers remorse as I should have have done the reserve and aux. tanks at the same time. I may have to do a reprint if I don't want to build those by hand.
I also received my Wheeled landing gear.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-5ep3jn5sU1M/UxpYbX4KsvI/AAAAAAAAIsI/c09-no828dA/s800/2014-03-07%252016.37.55.jpg)
The 1mm restriction on unsupported details is unacceptable from what I can tell. I don't think painting it silver is going to do it any favors. I'll have to figure out a workaround to get down to at least .8mm or go another route. If you're wondering why I bothered, it's to get the face detail on the wheel. If not for that I've already built some with styrene.
And finally, when I was in Estes Park a couple weeks ago I pulled in for gas and they had an old 60's pump for Kerosene. I went over the the hardware store and got a measuring tape and drew it up.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-xTzwnRuPfDY/UwL-Kh4pB7I/AAAAAAAAIpc/iRE0lVP-9Ss/s800/pump.jpg)
(did I post this already?)
It was rejected by Shapeways, but I didn't make any considerations for RP in the drawing, I just drew it to scale. I may look into in etched handle when the time comes.
Jason
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No photos, but I've been body mounting and BLMA trucking freight cars for the past month or so. Have done about 40-45 to date... mostly TLT's NSC newsprint boxcars (29 done, 27 to go), but a few FVM and IMRC cars as well. Even with the BLMA 70ton trucks, the NSC's still seem a little high, so one had it's bolsters shaved and, though a minor drop, it is noticeable compared to an unshaved car both in height at the roof and sills to rail.
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Mark,
Since I've started this on another thread, I should ask you....How did you attach the rails to the ties on your Farr Creek bridge? And, are the ties wood or styrene?
Doug
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Great question Doug...I was wondering how to do it myself and so did a few tests of different techniques I had read about on the internet. I was actually going to post this as a separate thread but then forgot.
The ties are styrene painted with latex paint. I tried four approaches:
1) Weldbond "white" glue coating the back of the rail then pressing the rail down onto the ties while still wet
2) Pilobond "contact" adhesive applied as above
3) Pliobond applied to back of rail then left to dry for 30 mins. Position rails then reactivate with MEK
4) As above but "reactivate" the Pliobond by heating the rail with a soldering iron
I tested each set up by pressing the rail laterally and looking for movement. The best results from a stiffness point of view were 4, then 1 & 3, then 2. 1 & 2 did have a tendency to leave a shiny area if there was any leakage around the rail so I went with 4.
(http://www.trainboard.com/grapevine/attachment.php?attachmentid=62594&d=1394239272)
Using a heated soldering iron worked like a charm including on the painted guard rails which had painted surfaces all round including where I applied the soldering iron. Very stiff result...good bonds and no mess. And I didn't melt the ties from the rail heat much to my surprise though you do need to be very very careful at all times to know where that soldering iron tip is!
Hope that helps.
md
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Thanks for that reply, Mark, and the detailed explanation. I'm leaning toward the Pliobond and heating method. First, if the Pliobond is applied and then left to dry on both surfaces, it would allow for the positioning of the rail without having to worry about the glue drying. Also, one rail could be put in place and then the other one, using the same method, could be done using a track gauge and heating as you go along. A much more error-free method, in my opinion. My only deviation will be the use of wood ties.
Doug
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Just for clarity, I only applied the Pliobond to the rail so I didn't have to worry about getting glue in "just the right place" on the ties and then having excess showing afterwards.
Md
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Mark, another stunning bridge. This one is even more stunning...wonderful :o
Otto K.
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Mark, do use a favour, will ya? Please do something poorly once just so the rest of us can feel a little better in our pedestrian endeavors. :P
Beautiful as always!
+a bunch!!
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Mark.
Well Done!!. The bridge is a masterpiece and completes an amazing scene. Awesome workmanship.
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Can we change the topic to Mark's Bridge then start another Weekend Update that he isn't invited to :D
Great work again Mark
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Well that was the last one so no fear of it happening again! Appologies.
md
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Well that was the last one so no fear of it happening again! Appologies.
md
I'm sure you'll find something else to blow us away with. Still speechless from the photos of the last bridge. Were most of the parts etchings?
Not sure either what you think the scene around the bridge still needs to look complete. Unless, could you put a hidden view window below the thing so guests could get a peek at it from directly underneath? :)
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I'm sure you'll find something else to blow us away with. Still speechless from the photos of the last bridge. Were most of the parts etchings?
Not sure either what you think the scene around the bridge still needs to look complete. Unless, could you put a hidden view window below the thing so guests could get a peek at it from directly underneath? :)
Thank you for the kind words.
On the Farr Bridge model, which for clarity *is* the same one shown in this thread and last week, the links and upright girders are 0.010" thick brass etchings. The middle framing is laser cut resin board, and the balance of the bridge styrene.
And as to finishing the scene, the bridge is done. What I need to do is add more leafed foliage (trees and bushes) to the scene as is so prominent in the prototype photos and I really like using the SuperTrees as a starting point for this as I found building the Troup Junction scene a few months ago. However I ran out finishing the scene around the Slocan River and Barr creek bridges so I am awaiting more.
thx again!
md
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after a long drought, I finally started a new layout project. I found some casters on sale today. Took a forklift to get them into my truck.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-J233S5YhhBE/UxqxUklOr5I/AAAAAAAAEn0/tyIAbYC0dgY/s1600/n+scale+layout+tool+box+6.JPG)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-4Kcu9c_a5D4/UxqxVMzxpCI/AAAAAAAAEoM/9M-WVB8mZQA/s1600/n+scale+layout+tool+box+7.JPG)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Zt1k4T83Kdg/UxqxTmI8lJI/AAAAAAAAEnc/NLEc1uze1Mg/s1600/n+scale+layout+tool+box+1.JPG)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0p0werfotws/UxqxUUh5tVI/AAAAAAAAEn4/d8NUC7NwFGE/s1600/n+scale+layout+tool+box+5.JPG)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-J0eVAx3ut9U/UxqxUK7hl-I/AAAAAAAAEn8/LY8KyOlaJSs/s1600/n+scale+layout+tool+box+4.JPG)
HuskerN
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Husker - So when you complete this one and sell it, will you sell the chest as part of it?
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:facepalm: Screwed up a boxcar, trying to weather it. Must not have the paint thin enough, and it splattered all over the thing. Cleaned up the worst of it, and I'll see if I can salvage it, later. Much later. It's clearly time to step away from the hobby supplies, for a while.
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Beyond description Mark.... "wow"......
Started weathering (and fixing earlier attempts at weathering :facepalm:) on my Great Northern hopper fleet. I've got about 15 hoppers, most for grain service which is perfect for my needs....
(http://i1111.photobucket.com/albums/h463/Puddingtonvalley/2011%20-%202012%20Modeling/GN4bayhopperrs_zpse72fb612.jpg)
(http://i1111.photobucket.com/albums/h463/Puddingtonvalley/2011%20-%202012%20Modeling/GN3Bayhopperrs_zps147dab5f.jpg)
(http://i1111.photobucket.com/albums/h463/Puddingtonvalley/2011%20-%202012%20Modeling/GNCylHopperrs_zpsa30d506e.jpg)
Using prototypical photos (fortunately the GN's hopper fleet was well documented) really helps. The three bay hopper with the interesting "triangle" pattern on the bottom is found in the Morning Sun GN guide and I was very curious why that pattern occurred.
Lots more to do..........
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I got some paint and decals on NS 6920, still a long way to go.
(https://scontent-b-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1.0-9/10003436_10202477776438500_1546123586_n.jpg)
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Using prototypical photos (fortunately the GN's hopper fleet was well documented) really helps. The three bay hopper with the interesting "triangle" pattern on the bottom is found in the Morning Sun GN guide and I was very curious why that pattern occurred.
Lots more to do..........
Puddy,
I think this occurs due to temperature. When the car is loaded with a product that has a different temp versus the ambient air temp you will get condensation in the areas the load is. The areas that are open such as the triangle areas will not condensate. Once this happens the dirt and dust can stick the car and cause it to be dirtier than the triangle area.
Just a theory, I could be completely wrong. :D
Jon
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Performing a chassis transplant on a Bachmann Big Hauler... The new chassis has metal Walschaerts valve gear, a better motor, and lower gearing. It feels strange working on a locomotive so big I can see it with the naked eye.
(https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1/1456085_629510880452829_598752663_n.jpg)
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Jon: Sounds good to me. I've seen similar patterns in the condensation or frost itself on coal hoppers here in Appalachia. The weathering doesn't seem to show it as the entire car is covered in coal dust regardless. Coal dust sticks to everything even without help...
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Out of surgery and doing fine!
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/t1/10003155_629563100447607_1247447130_n.jpg)
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Since no one guessed what last week's progress image was, let's see if someone guesses this one.
(http://www.traincat2.com/images/photos/IMG_7787.jpg)
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Awesomeness! PRR position light signals.
(http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/264/200/acb.jpg)
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Since no one guessed what last week's progress image
It was implied in my post that it was a GTTX 89' flat car. I thought that was obvious. :D
Jason
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Since no one guessed what last week's progress image was, let's see if someone guesses this one.
(http://www.traincat2.com/images/photos/IMG_7787.jpg)
This is what I've been waiting for!! :drool: awesome 8)
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Since no one guessed what last week's progress image was, let's see if someone guesses this one.
(http://www.traincat2.com/images/photos/IMG_7787.jpg)
A must have!
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It was implied in my post that it was a GTTX 89' flat car. I thought that was obvious. :D
Jason
Nope !
It is the basic frame for several variants of the GATC G-85. There will be the Clejan R-85, TOFC G-85 as shown, COFC C-85 and the modernized G-85 which had the center sections of the deck removed for Containers.
(http://www.traincat2.com/images/photos/gatx_002.jpg)
(http://www.traincat2.com/images/photos/gatx_003.jpg)
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M1s... Centipedes... PLs... I got a bad feeling in the pit of me wallet.
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Must save up so much monies for some much PRR-greatness
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The Bachmann ET&WNC bobber caboose that came with my Big Hauler G scale set is not a Rio Grande Southern prototype, but I upgraded it a little to match RGS practice. Handrails were painted aluminum, end platforms and roofwalks painted mineral red, weathering added with chalks and washes (sealed with Dullcote), and clear styrene "glass" was added.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1/1186817_629671233770127_574910157_n.jpg)
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Spent some time this morning installing trainphone on some Life-Like PA`s, going to eventually do my entire diesel fleet
(http://i852.photobucket.com/albums/ab81/CodyOrr/IMG_4338_zps07718cc6.jpg) (http://s852.photobucket.com/user/CodyOrr/media/IMG_4338_zps07718cc6.jpg.html)
(http://i852.photobucket.com/albums/ab81/CodyOrr/IMG_4344_zpsfd8b218e.jpg) (http://s852.photobucket.com/user/CodyOrr/media/IMG_4344_zpsfd8b218e.jpg.html)
(http://i852.photobucket.com/albums/ab81/CodyOrr/IMG_4340_zpsa3f2cf9b.jpg) (http://s852.photobucket.com/user/CodyOrr/media/IMG_4340_zpsa3f2cf9b.jpg.html)
Please forgive the poor lighting and cell phone pics
Don`t have good lighting here in the dorm and don`t have paint either so there on there way back to my dad to paint and then put back on the mains
Also working on 3 K4 Shells and finishing re-lettering 20 trainworx 85' flats
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Got the stuff I ordered earlier this week. Gotta say, in the four or five years I was away from the hobby, Atlas has really stepped up their game. The factory detail on this coil car amazes me!
And, these are not the horns I ordered.... :facepalm: BLMA put the wrong ones in the package. Fifer, you've got mail!
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This afternoon, I messed around with my first attempt at weathering a locomotive and transforming this GP38-2 into Seaboard System (former L&N) #4055.
Before:
(http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc84/dff21901/20140301_142229.jpg)
After:
(http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc84/dff21901/20140308_205402.jpg)
More over on the Seaboard Central 2.0 thread in the Layout Engineering forum.
DFF
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Nice job, DFF!
I was admiring the kudzu so much it took me awhile to realize the loco fit in the scene!
With the train show last weekend http://youtu.be/U9Zq1u7LpBI (http://youtu.be/U9Zq1u7LpBI) it's back to work so not much train stuff this week.
I did, however, manage to sucker other Free-moNsters to adopt a bunch of modules (Devil Mt. Return Loop and four pairs of 45's), so now, after almost a year, I have:
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/--g7sr8MmoXk/UxvULyQK9WI/AAAAAAAANYA/oWWTZl5IudE/s800/New%2520Clean%2520Workbench%2520-%25208iii14.jpg)
Woot!
(Notice I'm not showing a photo of my "still busy" sit-down workbench to the left of it :scared:)
At some point this workbench will become a HCD-sized layout with center scenic divider and valence that I don't have to spend 2 hours each to set up / tear down just to run trains all by myself.
(Though I will be able to separate it into two sections that fit in the back of my car to take to non-Free-moN shows)
It will also not feature a bridge of such Magnifi-Dance proportions presented here.
Thanks, all for share all your groovy work as well!
Happy weekend.
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I got some paint and decals on NS 6920, still a long way to go.
(https://scontent-b-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1.0-9/10003436_10202477776438500_1546123586_n.jpg)
Hurry up and finish this thing! What is the quality like on those decals?
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Hurry up and finish this thing! What is the quality like on those decals?
I really like the decals. The numbers are incorect but I used ones from Shellscale's C40-9W "soaring logo" set.
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It is the basic frame for several variants of the GATC G-85. There will be the Clejan R-85, TOFC G-85 as shown, COFC C-85 and the modernized G-85 which had the center sections of the deck removed for Containers.
Looking good Bob!
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I'm still tinkering with this thing, but I am to the point where I want to show this particular discovery:
the Randgust formula for Russia Iron: Testors stainless steel, with a coat of Neolube over top of it, then buffed back out so it is nearly reflective:
(http://www.randgust.com/S&T404.jpg)
The only other semi-original trick I tried on this one was to color in the wheel openings with a black micro-sharpie to try to get some depth.
Chris333 has a neat trick on the rear tender truck to look like a bolster I still want to try, I'm going to change the headlight, add an air pump, and (takes breath) try to get a pilot knuckle on it. I think I've already broken off and fixed most of the obvious parts the first time..
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Nope !
Okay, it's a 85' GTTX flat, even better. :P
Jason
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Not a lot for me ..
- Continued to wire up DIGITRAX signal system. I think I may end up putting up track board repeaters to help show road crews the actual signal ..
Helped Seuscaboose work on a telephone system for his layout.
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Couple more GN hoppers.... now the renumerbering begins...
(http://i1111.photobucket.com/albums/h463/Puddingtonvalley/2011%20-%202012%20Modeling/GNGreyGrainHaulerrs_zps555ee187.jpg)
(http://i1111.photobucket.com/albums/h463/Puddingtonvalley/2011%20-%202012%20Modeling/GNcementhopperrs_zps60716e20.jpg)
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Some nice work. Puddy, love those GN hoppers.
After seeing Mark Dance's bridges, my progress is rather pathetic, but I worked away this weekend on the tall pillar on the approach to the Cisco bridge. The brass parts fit together properly so I'm much happier with this version. Also fiddled with etched gusset plates, walkways and railings. Murky cell phone shot.
(http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i461/scottl16/6400e1ff-2973-407a-804f-888f26ee74b0_zps514c1aaf.jpg)
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This bridge is just fantastic Scott. I can't wait to see the resulting scene. Nice work.
And always remember..." the world *needs* more n scale versions of BC bridges! " so we all need to do our part to make the world a happier place!
Md
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Thanks Mark!
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This weekend's project was attending Winterail (http://www.winterail.com), a super-serious railfan and railroadiana event. Very crowded as you can see, but, still a universal complaint was the attendance was down this year. I managed to score the 1:1 departure board from the UP depot in Caliente, NV, showing the last schedule of the City of Los Angeles.
I've been going to Winterail on and off for 35 years, trying to make it more regularly to visit with my old railfanning gang as we enter our autumn years - we lost two of the "core" ten in 2013. :(
(http://www.everywherewest.com/winterail1.jpg)
(http://www.everywherewest.com/winterail2.jpg)
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Some nice work. Puddy, love those GN hoppers.
After seeing Mark Dance's bridges, my progress is rather pathetic, but I worked away this weekend on the tall pillar on the approach to the Cisco bridge. The brass parts fit together properly so I'm much happier with this version. Also fiddled with etched gusset plates, walkways and railings. Murky cell phone shot.
(http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i461/scottl16/6400e1ff-2973-407a-804f-888f26ee74b0_zps514c1aaf.jpg)
Great work! Is that from a kit? Custom? Where did you get the parts?
Craig
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It is all custom etches I did the artwork for. This thread follows the build https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?topic=27858.0 (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?topic=27858.0)
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I got some more decals on 6920:
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1/66406_10202494702621644_583703037_n.jpg)
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That is a striking scheme, nice work.
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Not much but sawdust here this weekend. Warmed up enough to open the backyard sawmill for some subroadbed cutting. Nothing fancy or breathtaking.
Here's a shot of the climb from up the hill on my branch line with the new benchwork in place. Glad I finally remembered to turn on the flash on the phone cam.
(http://i438.photobucket.com/albums/qq108/ppfoten211/20140309_220949_resized.jpg)
Yes that is a Fast Tracks Sweep Stick in the foreground. The trackplan was printed out 1 for 1 and trimmed to width. I kept the right hand edge close to the track edge for scenic purposes, as the planned slope here runs downhill from left to right. The hill will be an even line just under the upper level with some sky showing.
When finished, each turn will be across a wash in the side of the canyon. The flat sqaure area will be in a tunnel. Track access will be through a door in the fascia. The tunnel happens to be at the narrowest spot in this aisle, 30 inches, across from where operators on peninsula on the other side of the aisle might tend to stand to do some local switching there. Hoping that will cut down on scenery damage and keep branchline operators from wanting to stand in the same place. The aisle opens to 48 inches on either side of the tunnel area.
See more details on my layout engineering thread. https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?topic=29551.90 (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?topic=29551.90)
Now if I can figure out a way to get Mark or ScottL to build a trestle for the climb... :D Mindblowing work on your respective bridges, gentlemen.
Puddington, those grimy hoppers do the trick nicely too.
The hour I lost to DST was the one I planned to do more layout work today. 8)
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It is all custom etches I did the artwork for. This thread follows the build https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?topic=27858.0 (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?topic=27858.0)
Wow. I wish I could do that for my Niagara Canyon model.
Craig.
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I was kind of forced to do it- CN does nothing like anyone else so there were no parts available in plastic to kit bash. Isn't the Niagara Canyon bridge the old CP Cisco bridge? I'd love to see you build it, and as Mark points out, the world needs more BC bridges in n scale!
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The itch is finally getting scratched. I've been carrying this old Christmas Garden variety rig around with me since I moved out, and finally got some time to sit down and start bringing it into some kind of focus...
(http://www.wmrywesternlines.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/Chrismee_Layout_07_028.jpg)
I built it about 6 years ago with sharp curves to run my little Atlas Shay around with a couple of coaches.
(http://www.wmrywesternlines.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_Chrismee_Layout_07_010%7E0.jpg)
And it worked admirably at its task.
In order to bring it into the realm of Chris and DKS's tiny layouts, I started by cutting in a couple of switches, and adding 6" to the front edge to make room for a little yard.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/n2nGyTQ2_5V9-M-lO9T_1YI9gSEvA1itlQ6KkUQ4CqOo=w809-h607-no)
This week I started "coloring it in"... Adding some bits of Sculptamold where required, and beginning the process of upgrading the ballast and ground covers.
(https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1/1970689_10203511520574460_803715413_n.jpg)
I don't think I'll need to have a full crew for ops night, but I will have a fun scenery project, a little fiddle yard to play with, and a photo backdrop for some other projects I'm working on.
(https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/t31/1973835_10203511520054447_1633692451_o.jpg)
Time to start making a couple trees every night! :lol:
Lee
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With my third phase initial construction near completion, it is time to begin to plan scripts for an operating session. The first script has an inbound train from across the Delaware arriving at PRSL's Camden Pavonia yard. (More pictures can be found on my blog.)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-CyBqpKJTTGg/Ux0nJrJiSJI/AAAAAAAADYA/b-fbEaioe1Q/w862-h484-no/IMG_5371.JPG)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-IiM-D69Y_ds/Ux0n53XeujI/AAAAAAAADZA/1S68o78Uc0I/w862-h484-no/IMG_5404.JPG)
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(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-IiM-D69Y_ds/Ux0n53XeujI/AAAAAAAADZA/1S68o78Uc0I/w862-h484-no/IMG_5404.JPG)
Nice I10! Care to share some more about it? I'm planning on making a few.
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Nice I10! Care to share some more about it? I'm planning on making a few.
Including if you've ever tried to repower it with one of the newer Bachmann 2-8-0s.
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Nice I10! Care to share some more about it? I'm planning on making a few.
You will be so disappointed. That is an old stock Bachmann model. I have somehow managed to accumulate 3 of them and none run well. I figure when my layout construction is finished I will try to find a reasonably priced expect who can modify one or two of them to actually run well for me.
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Some nice work. Puddy, love those GN hoppers.
After seeing Mark Dance's bridges, my progress is rather pathetic, but I worked away this weekend on the tall pillar on the approach to the Cisco bridge. The brass parts fit together properly so I'm much happier with this version. Also fiddled with etched gusset plates, walkways and railings. Murky cell phone shot.
(http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i461/scottl16/6400e1ff-2973-407a-804f-888f26ee74b0_zps514c1aaf.jpg)
Man we are seeing some fine master craftsmen ship in the bridge dept. here! :o awesome work guys I also am building a brass 225' single track through truss span I've decided to go all brass hence need to get custom etching for my upper sway bracing, I'm using GMM X and W bracing for my columns which are made of 1/32" x 1/8" brass strip and 1/32" x 3/32 brass strip I use the GMM 18" bracing for inner web members and the 24" for the main chords, I need to use archer rivets for all the riveting. I also found soldering speeds up the process and is not as hard as I thought it would be using flux I also use higher melting point solder first then the lower temperature Tix solder for finishing up details, I would post pictures but all my camera software is out dated and not compatible with the new windows! :| :facepalm: I hope to change that soon but I'm a master procrastinator when it comes to some things such as photo software and cameras I have CAD, cakewalk recording software for my music ect but no way to get pictures on my computer :facepalm: :D I got a decent amount of scratchbuilding that I want to share on here so I need to get in gear.
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I was kind of forced to do it- CN does nothing like anyone else so there were no parts available in plastic to kit bash. Isn't the Niagara Canyon bridge the old CP Cisco bridge? I'd love to see you build it, and as Mark points out, the world needs more BC bridges in n scale!
That's the one. I plan to build it uncompressed. It would be on a peninsula with the Arbutus Canyon bridge on the other side of the peninsula. Centre pieces of my layout greeting you as you enter the room. As such I would like them to be as close to accurate as I can get. Arbutus Canyon no problem. No Niagara not so much. It would be about 3ft long and is all pin connected. It would be stunning to do at the level of detail Mark achieved but would probably cost thousands to design and etch. There is a rapid prototype model available but it's compressed about 30% and I don't believe any of the individual thin metal bars, I have no idea about bridge terminology, are modelled , just big solid beams. I did build a test section, one side of the middle span, out of styrene. I tried it because it is the smallest and most flimsy section. I have given up on it because it really was flimsy. But now having seen Mark build his with the telescopic square brass tubing I find my interest renewed. I believe it could be built from styrene and commercially available etched truss webs. Still, it would be a massive undertaking on a layout I have yet to even start the bench work. I'm toying with the idea of building it on a Plywood base that would have a box top also made of plywood which would latch onto the base. This would allow me to move it around to work on it, and keep it safe between sessions and after completion. Once complete and ready to install the box top comes off and the plywood base is integrated into bench work. I don't have time at home to build the layout but I do have time as I travel around to build the models. Any ideas from experienced modellers would be appreciated.
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I'm toying with the idea of building it on a Plywood base that would have a box top also made of plywood which would latch onto the base.
That is how I am doing my bridge. I wanted to finish it before proceeding to benchwork for the layout it will fit in, in part because I doubted I could do it and also so that I would not tear out my existing layout. Mark's suggestion to use square telescoping tubing was a savior for my bridge and assured it would be square and strong enough for the span.
For what it is worth, the etching artwork and other bridge building tasks can be broken down and taken with you, just need a small tool kit and good light to work where ever you are or if you have some time.
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Unittrain, we want to see that bridge, I'd love to see the GMM bracings in use.... Cell phone camera? :)
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That is how I am doing my bridge. I wanted to finish it before proceeding to benchwork for the layout it will fit in, in part because I doubted I could do it and also so that I would not tear out my existing layout. Mark's suggestion to use square telescoping tubing was a savior for my bridge and assured it would be square and strong enough for the span.
For what it is worth, the etching artwork and other bridge building tasks can be broken down and taken with you, just need a small tool kit and good light to work where ever you are or if you have some time.
Yes the telescopic tubing is an awesome idea. I'm not sure what size to use though. The twin 210' cantilever spans on either end of the Niagara Canyon bridge are made of large enough framing that it would support itself no problem. The large issue I see will be suspending the fragile 105ft center span. If I went the entire length of the bridge with the telescopic tubing the whole thing would be incredibly strong, but the center span is so spindly looking that either thick tubing would be obvious and ruin the effect, or thin tubing might not be strong enough. There is am upside and that is that bridges being what they are, the models are subject to the same physics as the prototype. The bridge deck is supported by 5 I beams which look to be about 24" tall. These would have been under compression. At the bottom of the span are the pin connected bits that would have been under tension. If I used 4mm high brass I beams for the top five I beams, and then the same 4 parallel pieces on the bottom of the trusses on each side, say 1mm tall and .010 thick styrene or brass, then I believe the tension on the bottom would prevent the I beams up top from sagging, just as on the prototype. 105' in N scale is only about 7.5" long. The brass eye beams would be pretty strong as it is (more so than the equivalent on the prototype) making the bottom pin connected section less structurally important. Another, and possibly better option, would be to use I beams only on the outside visible beams, and 4mm square tubing on the three inside beams. This would provide a great deal more strength and allow the telescoping nature of the tubing to join the three sub assemblies.
My plan was to build the whole bridge up side down starting with the I beams that track rests on. This would ensure that no matter happens with small construction inaccuracies, by the time I get to the supports the top will be perfectly flat. I would build the whole 515' length of I beams first, then the center 105' section, followed by the 205' cantilever sandwich. Once the three sections are joined to one another I should be able to, in theory, flip the whole thing over, stand it on the supports, and remove the plywood bottom, which has become the top leaving the free standing structure.
Below are a couple of photos, Dave Wilkie I bellive, showing the delicate center span. This part is what makes the whole bridge so attractive to me. It looks like it couldn't hold up a car let alone 1000s of tons. Engineering excellence.
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb383/craigolio1/Niagara%20Canyon/288182547_88987b7901_o_zps5a07c2b8.jpg)
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb383/craigolio1/Niagara%20Canyon/288182733_68160feeda_o_zps9b50b5ed.jpg)
It's unfortunate the trees obscure the huge scale of this bridge, which can be seen in all it's glory when it crossed the Fraser.
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb383/craigolio1/Niagara%20Canyon/ciscoconstruction_zpsc769f6e6.jpg)
Craig
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That is an amazing bridge that seems to defy gravity. It looks like the center cantilever section is heavier on the Cisco version but that might be a perspective issue. I think you have a solid plan of attack and I could see how the center section would be strong enough if the deck top was composed of brass tubing. You might have to cheat a bit and make some of the horizontal thin bits in the center section out of tubing or angle stock for stiffness. Let me know if you want some artwork for etches, I would be happy to help if you need specific peices if you want to go forward. Then I could say I worked on all three Cisco bridges. 8)
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Sticking with the "All BC Bridges/All the Time" theme, I was over at Steve Starks soon-to-be-dismantled E&N this evening and so took the opportunity to grab a few shots of 4 of his 10 newly arrived Baldwins on the RPM'd Niagara Canyon (ex-Cisco) bridge.
(http://www.trainboard.com/grapevine/attachment.php?attachmentid=62680&d=1394513943)
(http://www.trainboard.com/grapevine/attachment.php?attachmentid=62681&d=1394513949)
(http://www.trainboard.com/grapevine/attachment.php?attachmentid=62682&d=1394513954)
(http://www.trainboard.com/grapevine/attachment.php?attachmentid=62683&d=1394513958)
This was the model I wrote about on TRW a few weeks ago. Kevin Knox designed and printed it and I believe had it on display on his web site.
md
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I wouldn't have guessed another TRW member would be at Winterail. I arrived right before the show started, looks like the morning was busy.
This weekend's project was attending Winterail (http://www.winterail.com), a super-serious railfan and railroadiana event. Very crowded as you can see, but, still a universal complaint was the attendance was down this year. I managed to score the 1:1 departure board from the UP depot in Caliente, NV, showing the last schedule of the City of Los Angeles.
I've been going to Winterail on and off for 35 years, trying to make it more regularly to visit with my old railfanning gang as we enter our autumn years - we lost two of the "core" ten in 2013. :(
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Mark, tell Steve I'm jeleaous.
Craig
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That is an amazing bridge that seems to defy gravity. It looks like the center cantilever section is heavier on the Cisco version but that might be a perspective issue. I think you have a solid plan of attack and I could see how the center section would be strong enough if the deck top was composed of brass tubing. You might have to cheat a bit and make some of the horizontal thin bits in the center section out of tubing or angle stock for stiffness. Let me know if you want some artwork for etches, I would be happy to help if you need specific peices if you want to go forward. Then I could say I worked on all three Cisco bridges. 8)
Scott I'll take you up on that if you are not careful. It would be the truss webbing I would be interested in. It would prett much all be the same size, there is just A LOT of it. I'll contact you off list.
Thanks ! Craig
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Unittrain, we want to see that bridge, I'd love to see the GMM bracings in use.... Cell phone camera? :)
I got the cell phone camera I guess that will do, I will give that a try this week by friday and post progress shots and brief how to. 8)
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Mark, that bridge is stupendous. Wow. Hopefully it will find it's way onto a new layout.
Looking forward to your bridge Unittrain.
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I wouldn't have guessed another TRW member would be at Winterail. I arrived right before the show started, looks like the morning was busy.
A$$hats are everywhere... so watch yourself. :ashat: :trollface:
What did you think of the show? The SP 9010 progress report was amazing, but put my wife to sleep.
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It's Wednesday here, which shows you how lazy I am.
I managed to get most of my track for my industrial layout but the big part of my weekend was the Streamrail open day at Newport.
Figured I'd share the few shots off the phone that came out well enough.
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2517/13094803565_62d3c7c575.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/82828828@N03/13094803565/)
The only A2 in any condition that resembles operating condition, still a long way to go based on the cab air-conditioning.
The A2 was the equivalent of the Pennsy raging erection.
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3543/13095096724_95ba04eaaa.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/82828828@N03/13095096724/)
An R class in blue from it's days owned by West Coast Railway, Also converted to Oil Burning with a K class light lines loco
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7343/13094921823_03cea27872.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/82828828@N03/13094921823/)
Y class shunters that have come to Steamrail ex rotten row out the back of the current depot in South Dynon, all are missing most of their bits to get them running beyond the engine.
Of note is the fact the bogies from these locomotives came off the first electric trains in Melbourne when they were scrapped so the wheelsets are currently running at about 70+ years old, also of note is this was the first of only two classes of locomotive anywhere in the world to use the EMD 6-567 engine.
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2347/13094922523_d63e8b5fab.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/82828828@N03/13094922523/)
Hudson POWEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
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(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb383/craigolio1/Niagara%20Canyon/ciscoconstruction_zpsc769f6e6.jpg)
Craig
...by coincidence my 9 year old daughter brought me one of her books today because it had trains in it. And lo and behold: a picture of the old Cisco bridge. I just had to share it.
(http://www.trainboard.com/grapevine/attachment.php?attachmentid=62695&d=1394592988)
md
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My weekend accomplishment was to photoetch some lightning rods and weather-vanes, and install them on a barn which resides on friend's layout. The glass ball is made from a small drop of tinted transparent casting resin.
Here is the home-brewed photoetched fret (chemically blacked).
(http://i1068.photobucket.com/albums/u449/peteski7/Railwire/Barn04_zps6f8affba.jpg)
And the barn.
(http://i1068.photobucket.com/albums/u449/peteski7/Railwire/Barn01_zpse192ef59.jpg)
(http://i1068.photobucket.com/albums/u449/peteski7/Railwire/Barn02_zpsa91be176.jpg)
It is a model of a dairy farm, so I thought this would be appropriate.
(http://i1068.photobucket.com/albums/u449/peteski7/Railwire/Barn03_zps5324401f.jpg)
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Peteski, very nice! I have been interested in trying my own photo-etch at some point. Do you plan to weather the barn?
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Peteski, very nice! I have been interested in trying my own photo-etch at some point. Do you plan to weather the barn?
Thanks!
It is my friend's layout, if he wants it weathered, it will get weathered, if not, it won't. But probably not. It is located on an active farm, so it would be kept in good condition.
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I love those old photos of this bridge.
Peteski those are very cool. I have to try my hand at etching. I have everything I've just never got around to it. With my new bridge project I see an opportunity.
Craig
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(http://www.trainboard.com/grapevine/attachment.php?attachmentid=62681&d=1394513949)
Just catching up on last weeks thread. Love those Baldwins. Too bad I can't model everything. However, the Milwaukee did have some Baldwins, but not on Lines West.
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I love those old photos of this bridge.
Peteski those are very cool. I have to try my hand at etching. I have everything I've just never got around to it. With my new bridge project I see an opportunity.
Craig
Thanks Craig
The process is not very difficult (but I guess there was a learning curve which I passed long time ago). While I have done many home-brewed photoetched sheets (and circuit boards), you are one step ahead of me, having done commercial photoetching. I have not attempted that yet. :D
I had some problem with etching consistency on the last few frets. The 0.005" brass doesn't seem to etch evenly: parts of the sheet are not fully etched, while other areas are over-etched.
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Thanks Craig
The process is not very difficult (but I guess there was a learning curve which I passed long time ago). While I have done many home-brewed photoetched sheets (and circuit boards), you are one step ahead of me, having done commercial photoetching. I have not attempted that yet. :D
I had some problem with etching consistency on the last few frets. The 0.005" brass doesn't seem to etch evenly: parts of the sheet are not fully etched, while other areas are over-etched.
No commercial experience here. I've done a few circuit boards my self but that's it. It looks like I'll be getting some parts commercially etched. I need about 500 links in 9 different sizes. The plan is coming together!
Craig
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No commercial experience here. I've done a few circuit boards my self but that's it. It looks like I'll be getting some parts commercially etched. I need about 500 links in 9 different sizes. The plan is coming together!
Craig
Duh! I somehow had you confused with Scottl! Hey, you both model Canadien railroads! :D
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Actually Scott is helping me with the process. We are the Borg. You will be assimilated.
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If you're talking about the micro-mark type system using ferric chrloride, I had a similar problem that I actually 'beat'.
My kids had tons of plastic K'nex parts lying around, including the motor drive and a plastic boat propeller part.
I made a removable shaft drive down into the ferric chloride with that propeller on the end as a circulator, battery powered. It worked much, much, much better than the bubbler, and decreased my etching time dramatically. Keeping the ferric chloride circulating constantly is the key here.
It actually did work for one-off stuff, I was more interested in production, and the size limitations didn't help either.
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If you're talking about the micro-mark type system using ferric chrloride, I had a similar problem that I actually 'beat'.
My kids had tons of plastic K'nex parts lying around, including the motor drive and a plastic boat propeller part.
I made a removable shaft drive down into the ferric chloride with that propeller on the end as a circulator, battery powered. It worked much, much, much better than the bubbler, and decreased my etching time dramatically. Keeping the ferric chloride circulating constantly is the key here.
It actually did work for one-off stuff, I was more interested in production, and the size limitations didn't help either.
Well, I have been doing this many years before Micro-Mark even offered one of these for sale. I have etched my PC boards since the mid-70s and I started etching parts in the early 90s. I use ferric chloride, but without any agitation. I simply float the item to be etched on the surface of the etchant.
Until few years ago I did this at a room temperature, but (especially in the winter) this was a very slow process. I picked up a small hot plate with precision temperature control. I use it to warm the etchant to about 30-40 deg. C. That speeds up the etching. But maybe the slower, room temperature etching was more even, because I used t get better results in the past.
The tray I use to hold the etchant us small (about 4" X 7") and I only put in about 1/2" of liquid. It would be hard to install an agitator in there, but thanks for the hint anyways.