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General Discussion => N and Z Scales => Topic started by: sirenwerks on July 25, 2013, 11:28:13 AM
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In the USRA 55-ton Hopper thread, a link was posted to a Shapeways manufacturer who has a N scale shell for a Baldwin DRS 4-4-1500/AS16 - http://www.shapeways.com/model/1096910/n-scale-baldwin-drs-4-4-1500-as16.html?li=productBox-search (http://www.shapeways.com/model/1096910/n-scale-baldwin-drs-4-4-1500-as16.html?li=productBox-search). Since the NP had these, I'm interested. Maybe a Soo unit too. But how to turn this shell into a working model? These units had a 32' 3" bolster-to-bolster length. Are there any reliable and available N scale drive trains with the same, or really, really close dims?
I'd like A couple AS616s too, in Milwaukee paint. That model has the same drive train dims and seems to be the exact same body panel/door layout. Anyone know specifically what features were different between the 4-axle and 6-axle prototypes?
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I'd like A couple AS616s too, in Milwaukee paint. That model has the same drive train dims and seems to be the exact same body panel/door layout. Anyone know specifically what features were different between the 4-axle and 6-axle prototypes?
First GN X178, and now MILW AS-616's. You are modelng Minneapolis, you just don't know it. :)
Jason
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I just placed an order for one. I know it will require quite a bit of work, but it will fill a gap in my NP roster. Thanks for the post, I didn't realize these were now being offered.
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I inquired about what chassis this was designed to fit on but I haven't received a response yet. It's only been a couple of weeks...
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I inquired about what chassis this was designed to fit on but I haven't received a response yet. It's only been a couple of weeks...
From the bolster span listed in sirenwerks post, it would most closely match a GP30/35.
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From the bolster span listed in sirenwerks post, it would most closely match a GP30/35.
Thanks!
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First GN X178, and now MILW AS-616's. You are modelng Minneapolis, you just don't know it. :)
My big dream is a Mod-U-Track redux featuring the NP shared mainline and the scenery between Portland and Seattle. But the Twin Cities, with so many more great railroads and a menagerie of paint schemes in the 60s, not to mention so many idealistic name passenger trains, is very intoxicating. I just don't know that much about the actual place, having never visited - we just rarely left Packers territory when visiting the grandparents.
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On the Shapeways site there is a shot of it that kinda resembles USN dazzle camo , but with green , why ? :?
http://images1.sw-cdn.net/model/picture/674x501_1096910_1096935_1372203234.jpg
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I'm holding out for a RTR AS-616 from somebody. :)
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I'm holding out for a RTR AS-616 from somebody. :)
In "Oregon & Northwestern" paint, perhaps?...
Mark in Oregon
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On the Shapeways site there is a shot of it that kinda resembles USN dazzle camo , but with green , why ? :?
http://images1.sw-cdn.net/model/picture/674x501_1096910_1096935_1372203234.jpg
I am pretty sure those are just different colors based of were the vertices are in the drawing in what looks to be Sketch Up. In Sketch Up, closed polygons are shaded and once you start messing with the vertices the shading becomes messed up.
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On the Shapeways site there is a shot of it that kinda resembles USN dazzle camo , but with green , why ? :?
http://images1.sw-cdn.net/model/picture/674x501_1096910_1096935_1372203234.jpg
That could be signs of serious issues with the 3D model. But even if so, it may not ultimately effect the printed model.
Jason
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In "Oregon & Northwestern" paint, perhaps?...
Mark in Oregon
You got it!
(http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac341/ncs_09/RRproto/ONW4a.jpg)
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But the Twin Cities, with so many more great railroads and a menagerie of paint schemes in the 60s, not to mention so many idealistic name passenger trains, is very intoxicating. I just don't know that much about the actual place, having never visited - we just rarely left Packers territory when visiting the grandparents.
Here's a good place to start. :)
http://magichammer.rrpicturearchives.net/archiveThumbs.aspx?id=21980 (http://magichammer.rrpicturearchives.net/archiveThumbs.aspx?id=21980)
Jason
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I'm glad you guys found my model! This was a project I started a while ago after reading a few threads on Trainboard. I originally intended to make this model modular - like atlas' or Kato's models, with a cab, hood, and sill fixture. After a few test prints in that configuration, I decided to make it one piece because the sill and cab were just too flimsy in the FUD material. After pointing this out on Trainboard, many of the contributors in the thread were still interested in a shell, even if it were just a starting point to a kit bashed model. Because I model the Western Maryland, I had planed on modeling the four axle trucks with Alco trucks from Atlas, in a GP30/35 chassis. I quickly discovered that the GP30/35 chassis is too tall. I think it could work with some milling, which would also make DCC a challenge. I never included grills or handrails on this model because they just don't print well. I have had great success with 3D printed kits as multi-media kits - buy using brass wire for handrails, and photo etched parts for as many things as possible, they actually turn out quite nicely. There are holes for the handrail stanchions, the grab irons, and many of the pilot details. The grill areas are simply a recessed area in which I planed to insert a photo etched part at some point. I hope its something that you guys are able to use, and I'm curious to see what you come up with. I will stay in the loop on the forum, and try to improve the shell along the way!
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I'm glad you guys found my model! This was a project I started a while ago after reading a few threads on Trainboard. I originally intended to make this model modular - like atlas' or Kato's models, with a cab, hood, and sill fixture. After a few test prints in that configuration, I decided to make it one piece because the sill and cab were just too flimsy in the FUD material. After pointing this out on Trainboard, many of the contributors in the thread were still interested in a shell, even if it were just a starting point to a kit bashed model. Because I model the Western Maryland, I had planed on modeling the four axle trucks with Alco trucks from Atlas, in a GP30/35 chassis. I quickly discovered that the GP30/35 chassis is too tall. I think it could work with some milling, which would also make DCC a challenge. I never included grills or handrails on this model because they just don't print well. I have had great success with 3D printed kits as multi-media kits - buy using brass wire for handrails, and photo etched parts for as many things as possible, they actually turn out quite nicely. There are holes for the handrail stanchions, the grab irons, and many of the pilot details. The grill areas are simply a recessed area in which I planed to insert a photo etched part at some point. I hope its something that you guys are able to use, and I'm curious to see what you come up with. I will stay in the loop on the forum, and try to improve the shell along the way!
YES! Another WM guy, we're slowly showing those SPF's what a real railroad is! Noticed the H9 shell came off your Shapeways site, will it be returning?
The S.
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YES! Another WM guy, we're slowly showing those SPF's what a real railroad is! Noticed the H9 shell came off your Shapeways site, will it be returning?
The S.
I am another WM guy! I've always wanted to model the line in the early 50s. Thanks to shapeways, I'm taking great strides towards achieving that! The H9 will come back. Shapeways has recently updated their software and all of a sudden many of my models (that have printed before!) won't print. The H9 is one of them, and I'm working to get it back up- BECAUSE I WANT ABOUT 10 MORE :D!
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I'm glad you guys found my model! This was a project I started a while ago after reading a few threads on Trainboard. I originally intended to make this model modular - like atlas' or Kato's models, with a cab, hood, and sill fixture. After a few test prints in that configuration, I decided to make it one piece because the sill and cab were just too flimsy in the FUD material. After pointing this out on Trainboard, many of the contributors in the thread were still interested in a shell, even if it were just a starting point to a kit bashed model. Because I model the Western Maryland, I had planed on modeling the four axle trucks with Alco trucks from Atlas, in a GP30/35 chassis. I quickly discovered that the GP30/35 chassis is too tall. I think it could work with some milling, which would also make DCC a challenge. I never included grills or handrails on this model because they just don't print well. I have had great success with 3D printed kits as multi-media kits - buy using brass wire for handrails, and photo etched parts for as many things as possible, they actually turn out quite nicely. There are holes for the handrail stanchions, the grab irons, and many of the pilot details. The grill areas are simply a recessed area in which I planed to insert a photo etched part at some point. I hope its something that you guys are able to use, and I'm curious to see what you come up with. I will stay in the loop on the forum, and try to improve the shell along the way!
I'm wondering if a RS motor and casing could be retrofitted to a GP30/35 frame to address the clearance issues. This may be a long way around way of dealing with it though.
Regarding the etchings you speak of, do you have them available? I've often thought Shapeways should have an etching department, to allow the possibility of multi-medium projects.
Have you finished a model or have photos of a completed shell at least?
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You got it!
(http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac341/ncs_09/RRproto/ONW4a.jpg)
Oh yea... :D
Mark in Oregon
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I'm wondering if a RS motor and casing could be retrofitted to a GP30/35 frame to address the clearance issues. This may be a long way around way of dealing with it though.
Regarding the etchings you speak of, do you have them available? I've often thought Shapeways should have an etching department, to allow the possibility of multi-medium projects.
Have you finished a model or have photos of a completed shell at least?
I have a hood and sill section, but not a cab- this is from when I was working on the modular setup. I do not have any etchings, I've explored a little to find places that would allow me to submit my own artwork, but haven't pursued it. If anyone here is able to do it, I'd trade a shell for some etched grills! I have a few photos buried somewhere over on trainboard ill see if I can find them. In the mean time, I'm on the road for work for the next three weeks and won't be able to post any new pics
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As far as the grills, are they like the photo (chicken wire) or are the louvers?
If the former, maybe some 480 per inch brass wire mess from McMaster Carr.
If louvers, could some very fine clapboard siding (maybe Z scale) work?
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Thanks for providing those very WM-specific models. I'm not in the market for anything new at the moment, but if I end up building a small switching line, I'll be glad to know that stuff is out there. Especially like the channel side hoppers. I might have to give them a whirl.
Lee
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I still plan to build a Rayonier AS-616, and have my chassis already sorted. I have put a set of Randy's Commonwealth sideframes on an Atlas/Kato RS-1, with the RSD-5 trucks replacing the Type"B" trucks. By using the Atlas/Kato version, it is a straight swap for the trucks from the earlier Atlas RSD-5/12 trucks. Although Randy's sideframes are intended for the Atlas C-630 chassis, they don't look too bad on the older and slighly shorter truck.
Cheers
Steve
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I still plan to build a Rayonier AS-616, and have my chassis already sorted. I have put a set of Randy's Commonwealth sideframes on an Atlas/Kato RS-1, with the RSD-5 trucks replacing the Type"B" trucks. By using the Atlas/Kato version, it is a straight swap for the trucks from the earlier Atlas RSD-5/12 trucks. Although Randy's sideframes are intended for the Atlas C-630 chassis, they don't look too bad on the older and slighly shorter truck.
Cheers
Steve
Steve, you mentioned "Randy's Commonwealth sideframes," is this a product or a fellow modeler's efforts? Are these available and if so where?
Thanks,
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I bought 2 sets from Randy a couple of years ago. I think the idea at the time was to use them to make the huge centre cab Baldwin.
Check out this post on Train Board:
http://www.trainboard.com/grapevine/showthread.php?143810-Those-wacky-AS-616-commonwealth-trucks
Not sure if Randy still has these, but maybe worth asking. He does real good work. Photos in this linked post, show the sideframes on an Atlas RSD-5. By putting them on an RS-1, you get a better overall wheelbase.
Cheers
Steve
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I'm glad you guys found my model! This was a project I started a while ago after reading a few threads on Trainboard. I originally intended to make this model modular - like atlas' or Kato's models, with a cab, hood, and sill fixture. After a few test prints in that configuration, I decided to make it one piece because the sill and cab were just too flimsy in the FUD material. After pointing this out on Trainboard, many of the contributors in the thread were still interested in a shell, even if it were just a starting point to a kit bashed model. Because I model the Western Maryland, I had planed on modeling the four axle trucks with Alco trucks from Atlas, in a GP30/35 chassis. I quickly discovered that the GP30/35 chassis is too tall. I think it could work with some milling, which would also make DCC a challenge. I never included grills or handrails on this model because they just don't print well. I have had great success with 3D printed kits as multi-media kits - buy using brass wire for handrails, and photo etched parts for as many things as possible, they actually turn out quite nicely. There are holes for the handrail stanchions, the grab irons, and many of the pilot details. The grill areas are simply a recessed area in which I planed to insert a photo etched part at some point. I hope its something that you guys are able to use, and I'm curious to see what you come up with. I will stay in the loop on the forum, and try to improve the shell along the way!
I was just looking at this shell on Shapeways last night.LV had one Baldwin,#200,I'd like to order a few.Piperguy,don't suppose you have a pic of the actual shell?
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As far as the grills, are they like the photo (chicken wire) or are the louvers?
If the former, maybe some 480 per inch brass wire mess from McMaster Carr.
If louvers, could some very fine clapboard siding (maybe Z scale) work?
This could work. The louvers are printed, and came out surprisingly well. The screens would be for the radiators at the tops and sides of the long end of the hood. These areas are recessed about 3 scale inches, so by the time a square of mesh is cut to fit in each of these areas, it would probably work out perfectly!
LV Lou,
I have one picture of my first test print over on train board, and it isn't a great pic at that! but heres a link. The model hadn't even been cleaned at this point - I'm not sure why I posted it! :facepalm: For you WM guys, there are a few more pics of the nearly completed H9 in there!
http://www.trainboard.com/grapevine/album.php?albumid=1761
This is from when I was working on the modular idea. The sill and cab have both been revised and are now one piece with the hood. I was pleased with the hood itself so it did not receive any revisions.
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Looks good to me..I'll be getting at least two..
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I just jizzed myself.
Norfolk Southern had a crapton of BLW and BLH road switchers.
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I just uploaded a two pack for you guys that model baldwin crazy roads. That will save you a little bit of cash!
I'm interested to see what you guys come up with for a drive. When I came across this issue, the project was placed on the back burner. But if someone comes up with something I will certainly get back to work on it! Now if someone would just make accurate transition era decals for the WM!
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I'm kind of hoping to see an actual model of this product.
Anybody have one yet?
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FYI I was showing off my shell at the local Ntrak club and one of the guys happened to have an old Atlas/Kato RS11. This will work for a drive! The distance between truck centers is just a little short - I think a scale 6" or 9" - but its close. The weight that goes in the battery boxes will have to be filed down, but there are no other hindrances. Plus, with TCS' CN series decoders, it really isn't an issue to install DCC.
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Now we need a six axle drive solution.
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Now we need a six axle drive solution.
For years Atlas marketed a foobalicious RSD12 using the RS11 mech and RSD trucks. Such a thing might be able to be done at home if the parts are all available.
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Bryan,
Message sent.
Fred
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For years Atlas marketed a foobalicious RSD12 using the RS11 mech and RSD trucks. Such a thing might be able to be done at home if the parts are all available.
I was thinking about looking at some of the Japanese and German loco drives to see if anything has the 44 1/2 foot truck centers needed for the AS616.
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I was thinking about looking at some of the Japanese and German loco drives to see if anything has the 44 1/2 foot truck centers needed for the AS616.
Might be able to put the RSD12 trucks under the RS1 chassis..
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I remember reading long ago on another forum that the RSD4/5 is real close, but I have no personal confirmation of that.
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(http://www.trainboard.com/grapevine/attachment.php?attachmentid=57496&d=1379132388)
:D
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"I was thinking about looking at some of the Japanese and German loco drives to see if anything has the 44 1/2 foot truck centers needed for the AS616."
Don't know where you got your info but the truck centers for a AS616 is 32' 3". It may be that you are mistaking the wheel base for the truck centers.
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There is a tremendous amount of dimensional information on this website on not just the Baldwin locomotives, but locomotives from all builders.
http://www.thedieselshop.us/DataBLWIndex.HTML
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Piperguy that shell looks marvelous!
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Holy crap
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Contact me via the address on the randgust.com website if you want six-axle Commonwealth sideframes.
I still have the molds but I only make parts on request. I'll start making resin parts again about in mid-October when the furnace dries things out.
The spacing on the axles is tweaked to match the uneven axle spacing on the Atlas C630/C624 trucks. Sand them flush and mount these on.
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"I was thinking about looking at some of the Japanese and German loco drives to see if anything has the 44 1/2 foot truck centers needed for the AS616."
Don't know where you got your info but the truck centers for a AS616 is 32' 3". It may be that you are mistaking the wheel base for the truck centers.
You're absolutely right, I did make that mistake. Good thing you pointed it out to me before I got into that search. Unluckily, another search is taking all my search time. But what is the difference between the terms "Center Bolster" and "Distance Between Truck Centers"? The second, IMO, makes more sense for the dim I was seeking out.
And in looking at the dims I didn't look at before, namely the Center Front/Rear Truck to Front/Rear Pilot, I'm even more confused. Where exactly is the "Center" of a truck? I wasn't certain if the bolster on the AS616 sat over the center of the truck or the center axle, but this throws a certain amount of doubt into my terminology understanding.
And yes, PiperguyUMD, sweet! Thanks for the pic of a finished model.
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I think I may make a few revisions when I get some down time. I really liked the way the hood doors looked on the unpainted model, but once it was painted I felt like the relief was a little too much. So I may make the doors, hinges, and latches a little lower.
FYI the handrails are from the newer run of Atlas RS-11 and cut to length. I'm trying to get my hands on either the Bachmann S-4 or RS-3 end handrails, these are perfect for the ends.
If you guys have any feedback please let me know!
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I'm trying to get my hands on either the Bachmann S-4 or RS-3 end handrails, these are perfect for the ends.
Hey Piperguy, here's a brand new set of RS-3 railings on ebay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/N-RS3-Handrail-Set-CHINA-VERSION-ATLAS-N-Scale-RS-3-/350874828723?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item51b1c4ffb3
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(http://www.trainboard.com/grapevine/attachment.php?attachmentid=57496&d=1379132388)
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Hard to see in your pic, but did you do the mesh grills and if so, what did you end up using?
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I will see if I can get a better picture of the grills. I wanted to try to duplicate the texture that I found in a lot of my reference photos, so I started looking for materials that I could glue in the recessed areas to achieve that look. I ended up using sheets cut out of a tea bag. I really like how it looks in the grills on top of the hood, but I'm not sure how I feel about the way it looks on the grills on the sides of the hood. This could be due in part to how deeply recessed the area is, but it could also be due to a sloppy CA job. Overall though, it works!
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FYI I just uploaded an AS16. It should be available later today on shape ways!
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I will see if I can get a better picture of the grills. I wanted to try to duplicate the texture that I found in a lot of my reference photos, so I started looking for materials that I could glue in the recessed areas to achieve that look. I ended up using sheets cut out of a tea bag. I really like how it looks in the grills on top of the hood, but I'm not sure how I feel about the way it looks on the grills on the sides of the hood. This could be due in part to how deeply recessed the area is, but it could also be due to a sloppy CA job. Overall though, it works!
Maybe instead of CA if you use spray adhesive on the material before pressing it into place? I may have to give that a try.
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FYI I just uploaded an AS16. It should be available later today on shape ways!
This is the revised version with the lowered details?
The S.
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I just uploaded a two pack for you guys that model baldwin crazy roads. That will save you a little bit of cash!
Hey Piperguy, I haven't seen a two pack of these yet. Are you sure you uploaded them?
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This is the revised version with the lowered details?
The S.
Yes
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Hey Piperguy, I haven't seen a two pack of these yet. Are you sure you uploaded them?
They were up for a bit, then someone ordered one and I received an unable to print message so I took them down. I'm currently uploading two packs with the shells on a sprue. Hopefully that will take care of any of the printability issues.
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How long until they are available for sale? Also, did you see the link for the RS-1 railings I posted?
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I don't have my reference material here at work, can someone confirm this: The only difference between an AS-16 and AS-616 is one has four axle trucks and the other has 6 axles...
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Ok, so the single and double DRS 4-4-1500, and single and double AS16s are now available. There was a problem earlier with an AS16 order (sorry I uploaded the wrong file format!) everything should be all set now.
Thanks, I did see the link for the handrails! I guess the only end railings that will work are on the S-4 :(. Those will be hard to find.
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Ok, so the single and double DRS 4-4-1500, and single and double AS16s are now available. There was a problem earlier with an AS16 order (sorry I uploaded the wrong file format!) everything should be all set now.
Thanks, I did see the link for the handrails! I guess the only end railings that will work are on the S-4 :(. Those will be hard to find.
Thanks, as soon as my purchase order clears the financial department I'll be visiting your store.
I'll keep searching for S-4 railings.
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Hey Piperguy,
I got one of the DRS 4-4-1500 shells and it did not print correctly. The angled surface on the side of the hood behind the cab looks to be vertical. The triangular section of one of the pilots is not there and the walkway at the end of the long hood is missing. The 3-d digital model looks good on the site. How do I go about having them reprint it?
I also got the hammerhead short hoods. They look good.
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Hey Piperguy,
I got one of the DRS 4-4-1500 shells and it did not print correctly. The angled surface on the side of the hood behind the cab looks to be vertical. The triangular section of one of the pilots is not there and the walkway at the end of the long hood is missing. The 3-d digital model looks good on the site. How do I go about having them reprint it?
I also got the hammerhead short hoods. They look good.
I would contact them directly and tell them there was a problem. This is the first instance that I have heard of one of these models printing incorrectly, and as far as I know, its the only one. It probably has something to do with the fact that they change the orientation of the model every time they print it. I'm sorry yours didn't print. Hopefully they will take care of you.
I'm working on the correct fuel tank for the hammerhead RS-3s. Should be pretty sweet. If you want to go all out, check out the phase III RS3 shell from skytop models. I'm working with one of these right now and they are really nice!
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Hey Piperguy,
I got one of the DRS 4-4-1500 shells and it did not print correctly. The angled surface on the side of the hood behind the cab looks to be vertical. The triangular section of one of the pilots is not there and the walkway at the end of the long hood is missing. The 3-d digital model looks good on the site. How do I go about having them reprint it?
I also got the hammerhead short hoods. They look good.
I had noticed the walkway behind the long hood missing on mine, but didn't think much of it (easy fix). I guess I had better look at the other things you have pointed out now.
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I had noticed the walkway behind the long hood missing on mine, but didn't think much of it (easy fix). I guess I had better look at the other things you have pointed out now.
Oh brother :facepalm: The most frustrating thing about selling thing through shapeways is that they have my hands tied in terms of quality control. Obviously mine printed without a hitch, so you would think that would mean that the file would print correctly each time. Clearly it hasn't been, but if you guys hadn't said something I would have never known. Perhaps the safest thing would be for me to order shells in bulk and sell them on the bay. At least then I could do some quality control.
I feel awful that you guys received a product that was anything other than perfect :(
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I took another look at mine after Marc's observations and the part between the rear pilot footboards is indeed missing. As for the duct, it appears to be the same as the illustration on Shapeways, with an angle turning into a vertical surface (which appears to be at a slight angle). Not an issue for me
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Before I pull the trigger on some of these, has there been any updates done that I should be aware of?
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Shapeways was kind enough to refund the cost of the DRS 4-4-1500 shell that had issues. I then ordered an AS-16 shell and it came out just fine. No issues I have found yet.
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These should be good to go, haven't had any issues in several weeks. I think I just single handedly made the price of eBay Atlas/kato RS11s skyrocket!
What have you guys been doing for the end railings?
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I haven't worked on mine yet. Might be a while. Another project on the pile.
Plus, I want to make a mold so I can smooth some of the surfaces.
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Now only if this was a SP version. :(
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Now only if this was a SP version. :(
+1
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+2 :D
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What have you guys been doing for the end railings?
Hi Piperguy,
I intend to have a look at your model after I get some other modelling projects out of the way first. I have considered this model for sometime now and when it comes to doing the railings they will be etched in phosphor bronze and then I will go from there.
Regards
Al