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General Discussion => N and Z Scales => Topic started by: sizemore on April 12, 2010, 12:04:16 PM
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Just wondering if anyone has/knows where to find a Pullman Standard 54 seat (9 room?) corrugated coach?
Thanks,
The S.
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The Rivarossi is a 52 seater.
The Wally is a 64 right?
That puts us into car side makers I guess. What railroad?
Mark
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Western Maryland ;D ...knee Chesapeake and Ohio ...knee Pere Marquette. I just found the actual P-S plan number 7481 and lot number 6819 and it's "official" type is 54-L.
Looks like Amtrak, C&O, CE&I, L&N, PM, and WM had them. Would make a great car-sides kit!
The S.
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Is the C&O Rowa PS coach a contender? That auction site might feature one....
I believe that Intermountain or Walthers may be introducing something similar.
Gerry
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Western Maryland ;D ...knee Chesapeake and Ohio ...knee Pere Marquette.
Oh, I'd like one of those too - in red and white.
What plan is this?
http://www.imrcmodels.com/distrib/ccs/html/ccs6900.htm
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Is the C&O Rowa PS coach a contender? That auction site might feature one....
I believe that Intermountain or Walthers may be introducing something similar.
Gerry
Nope that's a P-S 52 seat coach. I have plenty in the ACME labs backshop to be rebuilt into B&O/C&O livery. It's close but I'd like to find something closer since ROWA cars are getting harder to come by on the cheap.
The S.
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Ah, so I'm guessing the IM car is a 52 seater too, similar to the Rowa car (but different than the Rivarossi car).
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Western Maryland ;D ...knee Chesapeake and Ohio ...knee Pere Marquette.
Oh, I'd like one of those two - in red and white.
What plan is this?
http://www.imrcmodels.com/distrib/ccs/html/ccs6900.htm
Thats a 52 seat coach which is identical to the ROWA cars. The IMRC cars are nice but the windows are a tad shoddy. Kato, cRapido, and Rowa all use the glazing with incorporated seal/trim while Con-cor and IMRC use the carbody to showcase the seal/trim, this makes the windows sit back farther than they should. I'd rather have a nicely detailed ROWA car over the IMRC stuff. Not to mention I was not impressed with the B&O sleepers IMRC put out a few months ago, for the money I'd rather have the cRapido's.
The S.
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Isn't it a nightmare when you try and follow the prototype. On a lighter note, I'd insist two passengers stand!;o)))
Regards,
Gerry
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Isn't it a nightmare when you try and follow the prototype. On a lighter note, I'd insist two passengers stand!;o)))
Regards,
Gerry
Well, the ROWA car will be the acceptable stand-in as it will match well against some other cars I painted and built. Hell I might even bite the bullet and give it the ole hackeroo to make what I need.
The S.
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The Walthers car is a Pullman-Standard Plan 7484 64-seat coach which is pretty much unique to the New York Central (and subsequent owners).
Both the old Rowa car and the new Centralia/Intermountain car are modeled after the Pullman-Standard Plan 7600(A) 52-seat divided coach. This could represent cars used by the C&O, Pere Marquette, NKP, ACL, SCL, D&RGW, SP, C&NW, D&H and AMTRAK.
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I think the C&O only had 2 54 Seat "Coaches" from the PM. The ere classifed Chair-Lounge cars I think. Not likely we'll ever see those. But I can;t wait to get my hand on the 52 Seat coaches from Centralia/IM. C&O had 59 of those and the covered the needs of all their Postwar name trains.
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Make two... ;D
Arthur W. Grotz
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"This could represent cars used by the... Pere Marquette..."
Not so... the PM cars were drastically different from the PM coach - lounge cars.
"I think the C&O only had 2 54 Seat 'Coaches' from the PM."
The key word here should be "only kept" not "only had." The rest of the coaches and coach - lounge blunt-end observation cars were sold to the Chicago & Eastern Illinois, which made great use of them on their Florida trains that were operated in conjunction with the L&N/NC&StL/ACL/FEC. While photos are hard to come by the cars were like nothing else on the C&O roster. This is the car type that WM had.
WM 1700 (ex-C&O 1700, nee-PM 134)
http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=360933 (http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=360933)
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/wm1700.jpg (http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/wm1700.jpg)
PM 20 (became C&EI 471)
http://www.railroadheritage.org/SPT--FullImage.php?ResourceId=1223&FieldName=Screenshot (http://www.railroadheritage.org/SPT--FullImage.php?ResourceId=1223&FieldName=Screenshot)
http://www.railroadheritage.org/SPT--FullImage.php?ResourceId=1221&FieldName=Screenshot (http://www.railroadheritage.org/SPT--FullImage.php?ResourceId=1221&FieldName=Screenshot)
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Ok so to get this back on track, is there any currently made car sides that come close to the 7481 plan? Does Eastern Seaboard Models want to tackle this beastie to get some small roadnames that may generate some interest?
The S.
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I was hoping NKP Car Co would make them but they seem to have dropped out of the N scale market completely.
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"I was hoping NKP Car Co would make them but they seem to have dropped out of the N scale market completely."
As Charlie Vlk could tell you the NKP Car Co. of today bears little resemblance to the earlier incarnation, which had done both a decent assortment of C&O and NKP car sides. The current company won't even consider doing anything "N" even though there likely is a swelling market that they would find if they bothered to look that would be interested in many of their offerings.
Even the so called revival of the C&O cars was never posted on their website but was done as much to try to justify themselves in regards to "N"... "Well we offered them and nobody bought them so why bother" sort of mentality. It took several email attempts just to find out what car sides were available and he never wrote me back to tell me the price of the sides.
But there might be another source to consider. M&R Models might do more in regards to mid-western and eastern lines if there was enough interest expressed. And Roberto ("martari@libero.it") will also do custom runs for individuals, though they would have to bear the cost up front and wait roughly six months. Honestly not sure if you have to do the development of the etchings yourself or if he would do it for you nor do I know how much more that would cost.
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I would certainly be interested in some! Since the fluting is somewhat unique, I think that etched sides are the way to go.
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I was hoping NKP Car Co would make them but they seem to have dropped out of the N scale market completely.
Probably from lack of sales? Which probably resulted from the fact that no one knew they had product to buy?
I'm not trying to toot my own horn here, but I try to keep up on new product (not paint schemes) announcements to the point that I can tell the manager of the LHS what's new in N. If I have never heard of NKP I imagine a lot of others haven't either. A lot.
Hiding your product is a really strange marketing tactic. When are these Mom and Pop organizations going to understand that? That word-of-mouth marketing and POS at trade shows a few times a year don't make a marketing plan. At least not a successful one. Unless of course, your plan is to go out of business quickly...then that plan proves quite successful...
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"Probably from lack of sales? Which probably resulted from the fact that no one knew they had product to buy?"
If you have a product you want to sell and you have a website its a "no brainer" to put it on the site so people would know about it. As I mentioned, they weren't even willing to answer email inquiries about them, let alone post them on the site. They didn't want N-scalers to know all that much about them otherwise they might actually have another market worth pursuing... what can I say, some manufacturers of horribly oversized models also have a horribly oversides attitude against N-scale, and NKP Car is not alone when it comes to passenger car sides.